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> It's not a good feeling to wonder if your new colleague would have been rejected if she were male Then maybe you should just not make that assumption and wor

> It's not a good feeling to wonder if your new colleague would have been rejected if she were male Then maybe you should just not make that assumption and work with them as a peer? > or if your referral would have still gotten rejected had they been a person of color This is utter bullshit. As someone who used to work for Alphabet, gender and ethnic background never came up during interviews, simply because the interview process does not account for that. You are either able to solve the technical problems you are presented with during the interview or not. "Culture fit" - which is the one item that might be influenced by things related to gender or ethnic background - is actually a liability for minority groups.

ng12 9y ago
That's a good thing! Then Alphabet is doing a good job, and someone should have sat down with this particular employee to explain what controls are in place to ensure consistent hiring standards are enforced while being sensitive to the requirements of people from different backgrounds. This was not the case at the company I worked for and it was a very negative thing. > Then maybe you should just not make that assumption and work with them as a peer? Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm a human in my post.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  > someone should have sat down with this particular employee to explain what controls are in place to ensure consistent hiring standards are enforced while being sensitive to the requirements of people from different backgrounds He knows them. Everyone knows them. The average Alphabet employee does multiple interviews a month, sometimes multiple interviews a week (complaining about how many interviews you have to do is of the favorite pastimes in the company.) We are trained for this, and - surprise - none of the training says (or even suggest) 'you should lower your standards for minority candidates.' In fact, none of the interviewing training even mentions gender or ethnicity. I feel that this guy is coming from a disgruntled conservative-leaning position where he feels the company values don't represent his. That's a valid concern, but there's plenty of companies out there. He should just leave and find one that has values matching his. > This was not the case at the company I worked for and it was a very negative thing That's sad. Hope you had better luck with the next one! > Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm a human in my post. Sorry, didn't meant to be offensive. I just know intrigue (which this memo tries to stir up) is the shortest path to a dysfunctional workplace.
  - mc32 9y ago
    Q: How many employees felt free to discuss their support for Hillary openly (I'm sure Bernie was in a minority)? How many people felt free to discuss their support for Trump (or even any other republican? I'm sure there were a few supporters here and there but I bet the great majority assumed everyone _should_ support Hillary. People should feel free to exercise their voting privilege.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      > How many people felt free to discuss their support for Trump This has nothing to do with the company, but rather with the individuals working for it. How many people, do you think, felt free to discuss their support for a Democratic candidate in the Alabama? > People should feel free to exercise their voting privilege. And they did! Heck, Google encouraged everyone to vote, not just Democrats. Maybe your anger should be directed to the companies and governments that did their utmost to stop their own citizens from voting. North Carolina is a good place to start, move South from there.
      - mc32 9y ago
        San Diego and LA appears to be the place to vote... (where voters exceed eligible pop) but Alabama has historically been democratic and I am pretty sure people in AL felt more at ease to openly have Hillary campaign signs than a Trump sympathizer would feel at company like Google which likes to keep things googley.
        aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        Alabama has been Republican since the Civil Rights Act was passed. http://www.270towin.com/states/Alabama http://www.270towin.com/states/Alabama On to voter fraud! But those numbers likely don't indicate anything nefarious like widespread voter fraud. It's actually pretty common for voter rolls to be a mess. In fact, Judicial Watch threatened to sue 11 other states in April for the same reason. A 2012 Pew Research study found around 2.75 million people were registered to vote in multiple states and more than 1.8 million deceased people were still registered to vote. Oftentimes, people don't realize they need to notify local voting officials when they move or when a loved one dies. But outside of a few isolated incidences, those extra numbers don't generally lead to voter fraud. http://www.abc2news.com/newsy/11-california-counties-might-have-more-registered-voters-than-eligible http://www.abc2news.com/newsy/11-california-counties-might-h... Q: How big a problem was voter fraud in the 2016 election? A: There have been just four documented cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-...
mc32 9y ago
Gender does not come up during interviews but they will search across the 50 states for a diversity candidate equal to a local standard candidate. Their HR has diversity goals and will want diversity referrals from current emps to fulfil their goals.

ng12 9y ago

That's a good thing! Then Alphabet is doing a good job, and someone should have sat down with this particular employee to explain what controls are in place to ensure consistent hiring standards are enforced while being sensitive to the requirements of people from different backgrounds. This was not the case at the company I worked for and it was a very negative thing. > Then maybe you should just not make that assumption and work with them as a peer? Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm a human in my post.

dguaraglia 9y ago
> someone should have sat down with this particular employee to explain what controls are in place to ensure consistent hiring standards are enforced while being sensitive to the requirements of people from different backgrounds He knows them. Everyone knows them. The average Alphabet employee does multiple interviews a month, sometimes multiple interviews a week (complaining about how many interviews you have to do is of the favorite pastimes in the company.) We are trained for this, and - surprise - none of the training says (or even suggest) 'you should lower your standards for minority candidates.' In fact, none of the interviewing training even mentions gender or ethnicity. I feel that this guy is coming from a disgruntled conservative-leaning position where he feels the company values don't represent his. That's a valid concern, but there's plenty of companies out there. He should just leave and find one that has values matching his. > This was not the case at the company I worked for and it was a very negative thing That's sad. Hope you had better luck with the next one! > Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm a human in my post. Sorry, didn't meant to be offensive. I just know intrigue (which this memo tries to stir up) is the shortest path to a dysfunctional workplace.
- mc32 9y ago
  Q: How many employees felt free to discuss their support for Hillary openly (I'm sure Bernie was in a minority)? How many people felt free to discuss their support for Trump (or even any other republican? I'm sure there were a few supporters here and there but I bet the great majority assumed everyone _should_ support Hillary. People should feel free to exercise their voting privilege.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    > How many people felt free to discuss their support for Trump This has nothing to do with the company, but rather with the individuals working for it. How many people, do you think, felt free to discuss their support for a Democratic candidate in the Alabama? > People should feel free to exercise their voting privilege. And they did! Heck, Google encouraged everyone to vote, not just Democrats. Maybe your anger should be directed to the companies and governments that did their utmost to stop their own citizens from voting. North Carolina is a good place to start, move South from there.
    - mc32 9y ago
      San Diego and LA appears to be the place to vote... (where voters exceed eligible pop) but Alabama has historically been democratic and I am pretty sure people in AL felt more at ease to openly have Hillary campaign signs than a Trump sympathizer would feel at company like Google which likes to keep things googley.
      - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        Alabama has been Republican since the Civil Rights Act was passed. http://www.270towin.com/states/Alabama http://www.270towin.com/states/Alabama On to voter fraud! But those numbers likely don't indicate anything nefarious like widespread voter fraud. It's actually pretty common for voter rolls to be a mess. In fact, Judicial Watch threatened to sue 11 other states in April for the same reason. A 2012 Pew Research study found around 2.75 million people were registered to vote in multiple states and more than 1.8 million deceased people were still registered to vote. Oftentimes, people don't realize they need to notify local voting officials when they move or when a loved one dies. But outside of a few isolated incidences, those extra numbers don't generally lead to voter fraud. http://www.abc2news.com/newsy/11-california-counties-might-have-more-registered-voters-than-eligible http://www.abc2news.com/newsy/11-california-counties-might-h... Q: How big a problem was voter fraud in the 2016 election? A: There have been just four documented cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-...

mc32 9y ago

Gender does not come up during interviews but they will search across the 50 states for a diversity candidate equal to a local standard candidate. Their HR has diversity goals and will want diversity referrals from current emps to fulfil their goals.