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No. He says that genetically-influenced behavioral traits which are observable in aggregate across genders may lead women/men to respond differently to differen

No. He says that genetically-influenced behavioral traits which are observable in aggregate across genders may lead women/men to respond differently to different work environments. Then he suggests a few ways Google can promote diversity without discriminating against anyone. His facts aren't even controversial to anyone who knows the science at this point. Google has basically shown themselves as anti-science and evil.

tptacek 9y ago
I don't understand why people think that reframing things as disputes about "genetically-influenced behavioral traits which are observable in aggregate across genders" is such a powerful argument. We all know what that means. We get it: he's not biased against any one individual woman, just against the statistical distribution women come from. Replacing the word "misogyny" with 10 Latinate jargon words isn't an argument; it's just bad writing.
- blusterXY 9y ago
  Most people don't consider the mere statistical description of aggregate group behavior "misogynous". Nor should they. You use powerful emotional rhetoric when you embrace this rhetoric, but the one condemning the women/men involved for their different aggregate preferences seems to be you. More philosophically, there are compelling reasons to favor "equality of opportunity" and "freedom of choice" over any "equality of outcome" that can only be achieved through coercion and discrimination. At the very least, if someone doesn't want to do something of their own accord, it is hardly doing them a favor to coerce them into changing. And from where comes our moral standing to judge the preferences of other people anyway?
ubernostrum 9y ago
I should start a kickstarter to buy every one of you people a copy of The Mismeasure of Man and force you all to read it.
- blusterXY 9y ago
  > "you people" Do you mean black people or women? Or is this an attack on educated people regardless of their gender or racial orientation or identification? The Mismeasure of Man is a 1981 book by Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould. The Big-Five model which underpins most of the relevant research in psychology) dates to the mid-1990s. If you want to attack it for being unscientific, you will have to learn about it. Good luck.
  - ubernostrum 9y ago
    It's more that it's very valuable to know the history of how people have tried to claim "science" justified their prejudices. And by "you people" I mean Googlebro and his adoring fans. None of whom apparently thought very hard about the math of the stuff they were claiming, and so missed that the sciencefacts they keep appealing to would predict a far smaller effect size than what we actually observe. But they're going to keep appealing to the sciencefacts anyway and feel that this provides a complete and unchallengable explanation for gender ratio in tech, because confirmation bias is strong.

tptacek 9y ago

I don't understand why people think that reframing things as disputes about "genetically-influenced behavioral traits which are observable in aggregate across genders" is such a powerful argument. We all know what that means. We get it: he's not biased against any one individual woman, just against the statistical distribution women come from. Replacing the word "misogyny" with 10 Latinate jargon words isn't an argument; it's just bad writing.

blusterXY 9y ago
Most people don't consider the mere statistical description of aggregate group behavior "misogynous". Nor should they. You use powerful emotional rhetoric when you embrace this rhetoric, but the one condemning the women/men involved for their different aggregate preferences seems to be you. More philosophically, there are compelling reasons to favor "equality of opportunity" and "freedom of choice" over any "equality of outcome" that can only be achieved through coercion and discrimination. At the very least, if someone doesn't want to do something of their own accord, it is hardly doing them a favor to coerce them into changing. And from where comes our moral standing to judge the preferences of other people anyway?

ubernostrum 9y ago

I should start a kickstarter to buy every one of you people a copy of The Mismeasure of Man and force you all to read it.

blusterXY 9y ago
> "you people" Do you mean black people or women? Or is this an attack on educated people regardless of their gender or racial orientation or identification? The Mismeasure of Man is a 1981 book by Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould. The Big-Five model which underpins most of the relevant research in psychology) dates to the mid-1990s. If you want to attack it for being unscientific, you will have to learn about it. Good luck.
- ubernostrum 9y ago
  It's more that it's very valuable to know the history of how people have tried to claim "science" justified their prejudices. And by "you people" I mean Googlebro and his adoring fans. None of whom apparently thought very hard about the math of the stuff they were claiming, and so missed that the sciencefacts they keep appealing to would predict a far smaller effect size than what we actually observe. But they're going to keep appealing to the sciencefacts anyway and feel that this provides a complete and unchallengable explanation for gender ratio in tech, because confirmation bias is strong.