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Not sure anyone has written a "debunking" piece but that could simply be because so much of what he wrote is standard trope for people with his views...if you r

by Edmond 9y ago

Not sure anyone has written a "debunking" piece but that could simply be because so much of what he wrote is standard trope for people with his views...if you read it naively it sounds like he has a point but if you're familiar with such attitudes then you'll quickly see through the pseudo-intellectual veneer of his argument. I supposed one could take the time to rebut everything he wrote but there will probably be someone new with similar arguments next week. What's important is that Google or any other organization striving for fairness (that is what diversity is partly about) isn't derailed by such sentiment.

graphememes 9y ago
That is poor reasoning and only adds fuel to the assertion that there is an echo chamber / shaming culture given the response to the assertions.
jackvalentine 9y ago
> "if you read it naively it sounds like he has a point but if you're familiar with such attitudes then you'll quickly see through the pseudo-intellectual veneer of his argument." Well I suppose that's my point isn't it? Expecting everyone who reads it to be "familiar with such attitudes" in order to come away with the "right" opinion is an awfully high bar to entry.
- Edmond 9y ago
  No, that is not my expectation and I doubt it is the expectation of people who don't agree with his opinion. There is just a long history of his type of argument deployed in favor of his type of view. Frankly, rebutting such arguments can get exhausting especially for those who are the target of his post.
  - jackvalentine 9y ago
    How would you propose that this kind of blow-up be handled then in the future? It's going to happen again and in the absence of opposition that's just ceding ground without resistance to the kind of attitudes in the memo. I'm thinking if you're going to report on it, you need to either pull it apart with rigour or accept that you're just increasing the reach of it without opposition.

by Edmond 9y ago

graphememes 9y ago

That is poor reasoning and only adds fuel to the assertion that there is an echo chamber / shaming culture given the response to the assertions.

jackvalentine 9y ago

> "if you read it naively it sounds like he has a point but if you're familiar with such attitudes then you'll quickly see through the pseudo-intellectual veneer of his argument." Well I suppose that's my point isn't it? Expecting everyone who reads it to be "familiar with such attitudes" in order to come away with the "right" opinion is an awfully high bar to entry.

Edmond 9y ago
No, that is not my expectation and I doubt it is the expectation of people who don't agree with his opinion. There is just a long history of his type of argument deployed in favor of his type of view. Frankly, rebutting such arguments can get exhausting especially for those who are the target of his post.
- jackvalentine 9y ago
  How would you propose that this kind of blow-up be handled then in the future? It's going to happen again and in the absence of opposition that's just ceding ground without resistance to the kind of attitudes in the memo. I'm thinking if you're going to report on it, you need to either pull it apart with rigour or accept that you're just increasing the reach of it without opposition.