I follow. And I agree there is a distinction to be made even in the alt-right between the ignorant and violent, even if both come with dangerous consequences.

I follow. And I agree there is a distinction to be made even in the alt-right between the ignorant and violent, even if both come with dangerous consequences. In another conversation on HN about the social benefits of shaming people, I'd say a possible reason "basket of deplorables" approach didn't work is because it was quickly followed by milquetoast apology. If you want an invidious recipe for political fallout, that would be it. If you're going to try and shame people effectively as a bully you have to stick with it (see Trump).