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Speaking of real estate the EV might actually save a lot of malls since they could convert their parking lots to charging stations and get people to walk around

by JVIDEL 9y ago

Speaking of real estate the EV might actually save a lot of malls since they could convert their parking lots to charging stations and get people to walk around and buy things while they wait

bdcravens 9y ago
In places outside of the valley, it's not uncommon to see traditional vehicles taking up electric spots if it's a convenient parking spot.
- WorldMaker 9y ago
  It's also not uncommon to see those towed and the language "Parking while charging ONLY" to appear, too. It is a solvable social problem.
  - bdcravens 9y ago
    Of course that's an option. I've never once seen a tow truck anywhere near a charging station, or that kind of verbiage. It says "reserved for EV", but it seems as strongly enforced as the parking spots reserved at retailers for online pickup.
brudgers 9y ago
That might work for Tesla because it targets the leisure class...or at least people with plenty of disposable income. That's not everyone. In the case of the charging stations near me, right now it is 34C and 80% humidity and sunny and the doors are ~0.4 km across a shadeless asphalt parking lot. You could shop for a fresh shirt because you'll want one by the time you reach the air conditioning. Maybe get two because you'll want another when you get back to your car that's been sitting in the sun for an hour or so. But at least it's not currently raining. Shopping at the mall is great if I don't have to be anywhere any time soon and I've got some money to spend on things I probably don't really need. But having to do so every two hundred miles smells more of nuisance than of pleasure.
- Sohcahtoa82 9y ago
  > your car that's been sitting in the sun for an hour or so. Just an FYI, you can set a Tesla to keep the interior of the car cool even when you're not in it. I've seen pictures of people leaving notes on their windows telling people not to smash the window to save the dog left inside because the A/C is still running. And if you're going to be at your destination for several hours, you can still remotely turn the A/C on in preparation for leaving.
  - brudgers 9y ago
    It's the idea that I'll be spending two hours at the mall when I'm out of go juice, is part of what makes me think the use cases for all electric vehicles are limited. I can fill up a hybrid in ten minutes and get 500 miles of range and I can fill up just about anywhere.
    - anko 9y ago
      Tesla had a battery swap system that was faster than filling a normal car - but it turns out the demand wasn't there. Granted, there is still a disadvantage to doing long distance runs on battery, but it accounts for a relatively small percentage of driving.
      - brudgers 9y ago
        For some people, 200 miles is long distance. My next door neighbor on one side commutes fifty miles each way and uses their car at work. My next door neighbor on the other side commutes about 240 miles round trip three or four days a week. My friend Bill, lives in Montana and drives 130 miles each way to taking his children to the dentist or shopping at Costco. The nearest Tesla super charger is about two hours away from his house. The road to it is closed in winter...from about October until May...but then even sometimes until it gets plowed. Sure most of my trips are less than 200 miles. But the majority of the miles I drive are on trips of 200+.
WorldMaker 9y ago
Right, one person's slow turnover (quick buy convenience stores) may be another's high turnover (malls).

by JVIDEL 9y ago

Speaking of real estate the EV might actually save a lot of malls since they could convert their parking lots to charging stations and get people to walk around and buy things while they wait

bdcravens 9y ago

In places outside of the valley, it's not uncommon to see traditional vehicles taking up electric spots if it's a convenient parking spot.

WorldMaker 9y ago
It's also not uncommon to see those towed and the language "Parking while charging ONLY" to appear, too. It is a solvable social problem.
- bdcravens 9y ago
  Of course that's an option. I've never once seen a tow truck anywhere near a charging station, or that kind of verbiage. It says "reserved for EV", but it seems as strongly enforced as the parking spots reserved at retailers for online pickup.

brudgers 9y ago

That might work for Tesla because it targets the leisure class...or at least people with plenty of disposable income. That's not everyone. In the case of the charging stations near me, right now it is 34C and 80% humidity and sunny and the doors are ~0.4 km across a shadeless asphalt parking lot. You could shop for a fresh shirt because you'll want one by the time you reach the air conditioning. Maybe get two because you'll want another when you get back to your car that's been sitting in the sun for an hour or so. But at least it's not currently raining. Shopping at the mall is great if I don't have to be anywhere any time soon and I've got some money to spend on things I probably don't really need. But having to do so every two hundred miles smells more of nuisance than of pleasure.

Sohcahtoa82 9y ago
> your car that's been sitting in the sun for an hour or so. Just an FYI, you can set a Tesla to keep the interior of the car cool even when you're not in it. I've seen pictures of people leaving notes on their windows telling people not to smash the window to save the dog left inside because the A/C is still running. And if you're going to be at your destination for several hours, you can still remotely turn the A/C on in preparation for leaving.
- brudgers 9y ago
  It's the idea that I'll be spending two hours at the mall when I'm out of go juice, is part of what makes me think the use cases for all electric vehicles are limited. I can fill up a hybrid in ten minutes and get 500 miles of range and I can fill up just about anywhere.
  - anko 9y ago
    Tesla had a battery swap system that was faster than filling a normal car - but it turns out the demand wasn't there. Granted, there is still a disadvantage to doing long distance runs on battery, but it accounts for a relatively small percentage of driving.
    - brudgers 9y ago
      For some people, 200 miles is long distance. My next door neighbor on one side commutes fifty miles each way and uses their car at work. My next door neighbor on the other side commutes about 240 miles round trip three or four days a week. My friend Bill, lives in Montana and drives 130 miles each way to taking his children to the dentist or shopping at Costco. The nearest Tesla super charger is about two hours away from his house. The road to it is closed in winter...from about October until May...but then even sometimes until it gets plowed. Sure most of my trips are less than 200 miles. But the majority of the miles I drive are on trips of 200+.

WorldMaker 9y ago

Right, one person's slow turnover (quick buy convenience stores) may be another's high turnover (malls).