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Sure is! People can be offended all they want. Where things get really iffy is when they want 'justice'. It often means that they try to get that person fired o

Sure is! People can be offended all they want. Where things get really iffy is when they want 'justice'. It often means that they try to get that person fired or lambasted in front of their peers. I don't see how that's at all constructive, let alone 'justice'. At the very least, it leads to even more divisiveness, instead of rational discussion. As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired?

navait 9y ago
My manager threatened one of my co-workers with termination if they didn't take a more proactive approach towards making the code he wrote more robust. He took out specific examples of shit code he wrote, and had us criticize it and the mindset that created it. It changed how he programmed for the better and his outlook towards his job.
- stagbeetle 9y ago
  The first step is to want to help. Too many, all across the spectrum, have his mindset that people that do or think things they don't like should be destroyed and locked away from "civilized society." A common rebuttal I see from these sorts, after being questioned why they don't take it upon themselves to sit down and understand one another (I will concede there is a very very very small minority that this shouldn't be done with, but you're unlikely to ever interact with them), is that it's not their duty to help these people. Unfortunately, this makes the issue worse when you start exiling certain groups and radicalized with hate. Here's an interesting article (isolated incident) where those with extreme views were shown compassion and understanding, and ultimately disavowed their ideas: Black Man Gets KKK Members To Disavow By Befriending Them: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-be...
- fireflash38 9y ago
  I wouldn't consider that a change in worldview, which tend to be far more deeply ingrained.
s73ver 9y ago
As a thought experiment: have you ever seen a team work well together when one of the members has publically said that half of their team doesn't deserve to be there and shouldn't have been hired in the first place?
untog 9y ago
> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? ...but that's not why someone in this position would be fired. It would be because their publicly stated opinions about what people are and are not capable of makes their co-workers deeply uncomfortable. We can debate endlessly (we already have, I'm sure we will again) whether firing is the right or wrong choice, but let's argue about it for the right reasons.
JoshTriplett 9y ago
> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? It's fundamentally not about them; it's about their co-workers. Making it about them is the wrong approach.
- fireflash38 9y ago
  I personally wouldn't want to work with people who can't handle the slightest adversity.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? I have see people limited in their ability to cause further harm by being fired; not all consequences are directed at reformation if he offender.

navait 9y ago

My manager threatened one of my co-workers with termination if they didn't take a more proactive approach towards making the code he wrote more robust. He took out specific examples of shit code he wrote, and had us criticize it and the mindset that created it. It changed how he programmed for the better and his outlook towards his job.

stagbeetle 9y ago
The first step is to want to help. Too many, all across the spectrum, have his mindset that people that do or think things they don't like should be destroyed and locked away from "civilized society." A common rebuttal I see from these sorts, after being questioned why they don't take it upon themselves to sit down and understand one another (I will concede there is a very very very small minority that this shouldn't be done with, but you're unlikely to ever interact with them), is that it's not their duty to help these people. Unfortunately, this makes the issue worse when you start exiling certain groups and radicalized with hate. Here's an interesting article (isolated incident) where those with extreme views were shown compassion and understanding, and ultimately disavowed their ideas: Black Man Gets KKK Members To Disavow By Befriending Them: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-be...
fireflash38 9y ago
I wouldn't consider that a change in worldview, which tend to be far more deeply ingrained.

s73ver 9y ago

As a thought experiment: have you ever seen a team work well together when one of the members has publically said that half of their team doesn't deserve to be there and shouldn't have been hired in the first place?

untog 9y ago

> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? ...but that's not why someone in this position would be fired. It would be because their publicly stated opinions about what people are and are not capable of makes their co-workers deeply uncomfortable. We can debate endlessly (we already have, I'm sure we will again) whether firing is the right or wrong choice, but let's argue about it for the right reasons.

JoshTriplett 9y ago

> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? It's fundamentally not about them; it's about their co-workers. Making it about them is the wrong approach.

fireflash38 9y ago
I personally wouldn't want to work with people who can't handle the slightest adversity.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind or worldview as a result of being insulted & fired? I have see people limited in their ability to cause further harm by being fired; not all consequences are directed at reformation if he offender.