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TLDR Cash burn, expected to top $2 billion this year, against $3b in cash means Tesla are raising $1.5b in junk bonds to help cash flow as they ramp up producti

TLDR Cash burn, expected to top $2 billion this year, against $3b in cash means Tesla are raising $1.5b in junk bonds to help cash flow as they ramp up production and scale.

dalbasal 9y ago
"High-yield junk bonds" is such an unflattering way of putting things. It always seemed strange to me that banks/bonds/lending seems to have such a small role in financing risky ventures. Is it just that capital is a better deal? How does risk work here, are bondholders effectively de-risked compared to stockholders?
- martin_bech 9y ago
  In case of the company going belly up, creditors, bondholders etc. are first in line, and stockholders are last.
  - dalbasal 9y ago
    ..what's the distance between beginning and end?
- TwoFactor 9y ago
  Debt holders (bonds) have a higher liquidity preference than equity (stocks) in the case of financial trouble. An oversimplified example being if Tesla was liquidated with $3B in assets, and $2B in debt, the debt holders would be paid $2B first and equity holders would split whatever was remaining.
  - londons_explore 9y ago
    But debts to suppliers and bank loans still get paid first right? It seems unlikely with someone like Musk at the helm that the company would be wound up before assets (and loans guaranteed on them) didn't pay the salaries. Hence, in the case of liquidation, I can't see bondholders getting any more than shareholders - ie. NILL. Am I mistaken?
    - TwoFactor 9y ago
      Correct, suppliers etc are higher on the liquidity preference than debt. If something were to go wrong, its most likely that Tesla would get a soft landing (e.g acquisition by Toyota) that would pay debtors significantly more than equity holders, but doubtful it would be 100% of what is owed in that scenario.
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Is this risky venture generating enough cash-flow to pay the interests starting now and is it likely to return the principal back in a few years? If not, that's why it's not used more.
- olivermarks 9y ago
  S&P B- corporate debt rating, and similar other ratings means Tesla are currently in junk bond territory.
asdf33323 9y ago
awesome news for the company!

TLDR Cash burn, expected to top $2 billion this year, against $3b in cash means Tesla are raising $1.5b in junk bonds to help cash flow as they ramp up production and scale.

dalbasal 9y ago

"High-yield junk bonds" is such an unflattering way of putting things. It always seemed strange to me that banks/bonds/lending seems to have such a small role in financing risky ventures. Is it just that capital is a better deal? How does risk work here, are bondholders effectively de-risked compared to stockholders?

martin_bech 9y ago
In case of the company going belly up, creditors, bondholders etc. are first in line, and stockholders are last.
- dalbasal 9y ago
  ..what's the distance between beginning and end?
TwoFactor 9y ago
Debt holders (bonds) have a higher liquidity preference than equity (stocks) in the case of financial trouble. An oversimplified example being if Tesla was liquidated with $3B in assets, and $2B in debt, the debt holders would be paid $2B first and equity holders would split whatever was remaining.
- londons_explore 9y ago
  But debts to suppliers and bank loans still get paid first right? It seems unlikely with someone like Musk at the helm that the company would be wound up before assets (and loans guaranteed on them) didn't pay the salaries. Hence, in the case of liquidation, I can't see bondholders getting any more than shareholders - ie. NILL. Am I mistaken?
  - TwoFactor 9y ago
    Correct, suppliers etc are higher on the liquidity preference than debt. If something were to go wrong, its most likely that Tesla would get a soft landing (e.g acquisition by Toyota) that would pay debtors significantly more than equity holders, but doubtful it would be 100% of what is owed in that scenario.
kgwgk 9y ago
Is this risky venture generating enough cash-flow to pay the interests starting now and is it likely to return the principal back in a few years? If not, that's why it's not used more.
olivermarks 9y ago
S&P B- corporate debt rating, and similar other ratings means Tesla are currently in junk bond territory.

asdf33323 9y ago

awesome news for the company!