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Authentication is hard. And that's exactly why you should never have to be writing your own auth code, but rather, use existing frameworks. There's so many tin

Authentication is hard. And that's exactly why you should never have to be writing your own auth code, but rather, use existing frameworks. There's so many tiny details and edge cases that can have such catastrophic results, it's too much of a risk to do it yourself. Unless writing auth frameworks is your job, for course.

ameliaquining 9y ago
So what are the current good options in Node?
- glumpyfish 9y ago
  I have yet to see a good clean solution. I was fairly new to auth and node when I was given a similar task. Ended up doing a ton of research and I felt I was making decisions I should not have had to make. I recall the tutorials that the article mentions. I was not impressed with the end result.
- micaksica 9y ago
  There isn't one. I think that the Node ecosystem tends toward minimalism and compartmentalization in modules, and in doing so monolithic authentication solutions don't really exist like they do in other frameworks in which there's more "magic", like Ruby/Rails. You'd have to choose a higher-level Node.js-based framework, and there isn't an emergent solution yet. Personally I've been directed toward Hapi and Feathers.js as of late. Feathers I committed some PRs to and filed some issues against this weekend, which the maintainers are taking seriously, but it could use some more functionality and deeper testing. Hapi I haven't personally looked at, but is backed by some of the Auth0 guys.
- camus2 9y ago
  If you're looking for a rails/devise like solution there is none. Passport is just an express middleware which is mostly useless, just like express in general.
- zxcmx 9y ago
  Probably firebase, auth0, cognito or a similar third-party system. To me that fits in with the node ethos, which has always seemed to be to be, roughly, "mash things up".
mcappleton 9y ago
Honestly, I don't think there is a real shortcut for in depth knowledge of how secure authentication should work. I think if your going to be writing a program with authentication, you need to know what is going on, what the framework is doing under the hood. If you don't, you are likely to misconfigure it or trust it to do something it doesn't do. Writing a secure auth isn't exactly hard, and there is good info on the web about it. It just requires time to implement and not taking shortcuts to do it right. In node there are not really official solutions - it's just packages. Php has a nice password_hash function which hashes and salts your password for you securely.
- micaksica 9y ago
  I disagree. Do you believe that web application developers should be able to write an efficient JavaScript interpreter, or build a working CPU in Verilog? As technology increases in complexity, roles specialize. Skillsets diverge and junior developers should have frameworks accessible to them they can rely on. Most of us have made our careers standing upon the shoulders of relative giants until we have grown enough to become taller ourselves. I don't believe that you should have to be able to build a reliable authentication framework to be able to write a decently secure web application.
  - mcappleton 9y ago
    If you don't understand CPU cycles, your application might get a teeny bit slower. If you don't understand security, your application could get hacked! It's definitely nice to have a good auth framework, but I think security is important enough that it's worth taking 1 hour to learn how to do it right.

ameliaquining 9y ago

So what are the current good options in Node?

glumpyfish 9y ago
I have yet to see a good clean solution. I was fairly new to auth and node when I was given a similar task. Ended up doing a ton of research and I felt I was making decisions I should not have had to make. I recall the tutorials that the article mentions. I was not impressed with the end result.
micaksica 9y ago
There isn't one. I think that the Node ecosystem tends toward minimalism and compartmentalization in modules, and in doing so monolithic authentication solutions don't really exist like they do in other frameworks in which there's more "magic", like Ruby/Rails. You'd have to choose a higher-level Node.js-based framework, and there isn't an emergent solution yet. Personally I've been directed toward Hapi and Feathers.js as of late. Feathers I committed some PRs to and filed some issues against this weekend, which the maintainers are taking seriously, but it could use some more functionality and deeper testing. Hapi I haven't personally looked at, but is backed by some of the Auth0 guys.
camus2 9y ago
If you're looking for a rails/devise like solution there is none. Passport is just an express middleware which is mostly useless, just like express in general.
zxcmx 9y ago
Probably firebase, auth0, cognito or a similar third-party system. To me that fits in with the node ethos, which has always seemed to be to be, roughly, "mash things up".

mcappleton 9y ago

Honestly, I don't think there is a real shortcut for in depth knowledge of how secure authentication should work. I think if your going to be writing a program with authentication, you need to know what is going on, what the framework is doing under the hood. If you don't, you are likely to misconfigure it or trust it to do something it doesn't do. Writing a secure auth isn't exactly hard, and there is good info on the web about it. It just requires time to implement and not taking shortcuts to do it right. In node there are not really official solutions - it's just packages. Php has a nice password_hash function which hashes and salts your password for you securely.

micaksica 9y ago
I disagree. Do you believe that web application developers should be able to write an efficient JavaScript interpreter, or build a working CPU in Verilog? As technology increases in complexity, roles specialize. Skillsets diverge and junior developers should have frameworks accessible to them they can rely on. Most of us have made our careers standing upon the shoulders of relative giants until we have grown enough to become taller ourselves. I don't believe that you should have to be able to build a reliable authentication framework to be able to write a decently secure web application.
- mcappleton 9y ago
  If you don't understand CPU cycles, your application might get a teeny bit slower. If you don't understand security, your application could get hacked! It's definitely nice to have a good auth framework, but I think security is important enough that it's worth taking 1 hour to learn how to do it right.