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You must have a very limited way of expressing your self :) I can express with a pen using symbols, drawing, spacing, diagrams, flow... Too many people confus

You must have a very limited way of expressing your self :) I can express with a pen using symbols, drawing, spacing, diagrams, flow... Too many people confuse taking notes with transcription, or forget to take in consideration the cost of context switching.

arkitaip 9y ago
I've tried many UI sketching/prototyping apps over the years and keep coming back to pen and paper. It's not just the speed but the ephemeral nature of paper that invites to exploration and mistakes. Using Balsamiq or any other app seems much heavier in some way...
- Pulcinella 9y ago
  To me handwriting and sketching feels more responsive. Yes with a software tool you might be able to construct a perfect triangle in a few clicks and then it instantly appears, but my brain interprets all those clicks as lag. The goal is to use my hands to make something appear. All those clicks are moving my hands but nothing is appearing! When I sketch it, the instant my hand moves the pen a line appears. It takes longer to construct the whole triangle, but the process itself is zero latency. I admit it is not rational but it's just how I feel.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
Ouch :). I suppose I asked for it, and yeah, you're right. I mentioned doing symbols, drawings and diagrams on paper, but 90% of the time my notes are just plaintext stream of thoughts or outlines.
hrktb 9y ago
I think that’s covered by the "Where typing fails me, though, is anything other than writing regular, linear text" part. Also we’re not really talking about note taking, more by which mean you put ideas on a written support. I am under the impression that people who spent the majority of their formative years on pen and paper will in mostly be more comfortable thinking on pen and paper, but increasingly I feel that the lack of practice in hand writing will put a lot more friction in that process, tiping the balance in a different way. Also there’s a flurry of study floating around about university students who can’t think while typing (and It’s usually about note taking to get back to your point), but it feels counter to my own experience, and I wonder if it’s not an effect of the studies done on students who just came out of a decade of pen and paper learning. Just like how children can have a hard time reading and understanding the meaning at the same time, or how their first years of writing is really taking an input and transforming it to an output.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  > increasingly I feel that the lack of practice in hand writing will put a lot more friction in that process, tiping the balance in a different way It is definitely true for me. One of the main reasons I default to typing is not the speed, but the fact that my handwriting is absolutely abhorrent, and I feel displeasure from just looking at it. I suppose it could be improved with training, but I generally didn't find time for it yet.

arkitaip 9y ago

I've tried many UI sketching/prototyping apps over the years and keep coming back to pen and paper. It's not just the speed but the ephemeral nature of paper that invites to exploration and mistakes. Using Balsamiq or any other app seems much heavier in some way...

Pulcinella 9y ago
To me handwriting and sketching feels more responsive. Yes with a software tool you might be able to construct a perfect triangle in a few clicks and then it instantly appears, but my brain interprets all those clicks as lag. The goal is to use my hands to make something appear. All those clicks are moving my hands but nothing is appearing! When I sketch it, the instant my hand moves the pen a line appears. It takes longer to construct the whole triangle, but the process itself is zero latency. I admit it is not rational but it's just how I feel.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

Ouch :). I suppose I asked for it, and yeah, you're right. I mentioned doing symbols, drawings and diagrams on paper, but 90% of the time my notes are just plaintext stream of thoughts or outlines.

hrktb 9y ago

I think that’s covered by the "Where typing fails me, though, is anything other than writing regular, linear text" part. Also we’re not really talking about note taking, more by which mean you put ideas on a written support. I am under the impression that people who spent the majority of their formative years on pen and paper will in mostly be more comfortable thinking on pen and paper, but increasingly I feel that the lack of practice in hand writing will put a lot more friction in that process, tiping the balance in a different way. Also there’s a flurry of study floating around about university students who can’t think while typing (and It’s usually about note taking to get back to your point), but it feels counter to my own experience, and I wonder if it’s not an effect of the studies done on students who just came out of a decade of pen and paper learning. Just like how children can have a hard time reading and understanding the meaning at the same time, or how their first years of writing is really taking an input and transforming it to an output.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
> increasingly I feel that the lack of practice in hand writing will put a lot more friction in that process, tiping the balance in a different way It is definitely true for me. One of the main reasons I default to typing is not the speed, but the fact that my handwriting is absolutely abhorrent, and I feel displeasure from just looking at it. I suppose it could be improved with training, but I generally didn't find time for it yet.