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So... what is the proposal? Every time I read one of this articles about gender in IT I feel that I didn't get to anything new. This guy tell us that it is bec

So... what is the proposal? Every time I read one of this articles about gender in IT I feel that I didn't get to anything new. This guy tell us that it is because companies look for certain profiles more common in men. Ok, cool, I'm totally fine with it, but I don't think that will be appealing to all this people that is talking about discrimination against women.

jdoliner 9y ago
> True diversity may be the recognition of the fact that all of us are not equal. The proposal is that we recognize this fact, and realize that the mindset in which there must always be "the proposal," to fix "the problem," is misguided. Particularly when you have ideals like diversity, and equality which, the author argues, are at odds with one another. The rest of the essay is an argument that the two are, indeed, at odds with one another.
tajen 9y ago
All those people telling me that boys and girls have the same interest in tech, and clichés is all that keeps girls from reaching their potential... - Doesn't match with my observations of girls around me. My goddaughter was educated in a sexist way (barbies) by her mother. Men (me) have tried to interest her in tech, but what do you want! I'm not the role model! I can tell you it's been immensely frustrating for me to spend hundreds on Lego, take her to superfactories, make her visit workshops, teach her math and chemistry, and she still $&@" identifies to her "I don't get science" mother. Men are powerless here. Plus I still get told off as a machist by HN. - Doesn't match with logic either. Women can get a job in IT and be promoted to passionating human jobs like management, just by participating in "I'm a woman" programs. Why would they work on their skills? Every single woman I've met in programming was utterly incompetent in technical skills because they weren't selected on their technical skills. So, yes, it's a bit painful when they're promoted as your manager "because [insert hand-wavy reason like people skills]". The worsts parts are: - I've done my part in being feminist in the early years of my career, and I'm unanimously recognized for the scientific education of my goddaughted despite the other directions given by the 7 women around her; - And despite that, it's forbidden for me to discuss the reality I'm facing (=what's above) on social networks, including HN. I expect to be censored in a few minutes, but I'll wait for dang's actual actions to demonstrate what will happen to me. In real life, after I started recognizing the pattern that women are not competent when they're hired based on gender, I've been fired from a few places. So, this misogyny problem that belongs to my parents' generation? We're reproducing it. And I know I'm not alone, because, when I say it with careful respect, facts and fewer generalizations, I get a dozen upvotes. Future won't be nice with this censorship.

jdoliner 9y ago

> True diversity may be the recognition of the fact that all of us are not equal. The proposal is that we recognize this fact, and realize that the mindset in which there must always be "the proposal," to fix "the problem," is misguided. Particularly when you have ideals like diversity, and equality which, the author argues, are at odds with one another. The rest of the essay is an argument that the two are, indeed, at odds with one another.

tajen 9y ago

All those people telling me that boys and girls have the same interest in tech, and clichés is all that keeps girls from reaching their potential... - Doesn't match with my observations of girls around me. My goddaughter was educated in a sexist way (barbies) by her mother. Men (me) have tried to interest her in tech, but what do you want! I'm not the role model! I can tell you it's been immensely frustrating for me to spend hundreds on Lego, take her to superfactories, make her visit workshops, teach her math and chemistry, and she still $&@" identifies to her "I don't get science" mother. Men are powerless here. Plus I still get told off as a machist by HN. - Doesn't match with logic either. Women can get a job in IT and be promoted to passionating human jobs like management, just by participating in "I'm a woman" programs. Why would they work on their skills? Every single woman I've met in programming was utterly incompetent in technical skills because they weren't selected on their technical skills. So, yes, it's a bit painful when they're promoted as your manager "because [insert hand-wavy reason like people skills]". The worsts parts are: - I've done my part in being feminist in the early years of my career, and I'm unanimously recognized for the scientific education of my goddaughted despite the other directions given by the 7 women around her; - And despite that, it's forbidden for me to discuss the reality I'm facing (=what's above) on social networks, including HN. I expect to be censored in a few minutes, but I'll wait for dang's actual actions to demonstrate what will happen to me. In real life, after I started recognizing the pattern that women are not competent when they're hired based on gender, I've been fired from a few places. So, this misogyny problem that belongs to my parents' generation? We're reproducing it. And I know I'm not alone, because, when I say it with careful respect, facts and fewer generalizations, I get a dozen upvotes. Future won't be nice with this censorship.