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Evicted being the key word. That is a very long process.

tptacek 9y ago
What's your point? Being evicted is a big deal. It's can be difficult to get a next nice apartment if you've been evicted before, especially if you were evicted from your immediate previous apartment. There is no deterrent whatsoever for Airbnb guests, who have no stake in the lease or the local market.
- IanDrake 9y ago
  No, they have a public rating to maintain on airbnb. Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or keep looking for the next sucker on CL that is a newbie landlord.
  - tptacek 9y ago
    That's silly, as anyone who has used Airbnb knows. Your renter rating on Airbnb is meaningless. If you somehow got a bad one, you'd just create a new profile. I've created new profiles for Airbnb rentals simply because I couldn't be arsed to remember which email address I'd used, and had no problems.
    - IanDrake 9y ago
      I can only speak for myself and the 5-6 people I know who rent their properties on these platforms; we don't rent to new profiles. Clearly some people do rent to new profiles. There are fools everywhere, but they won't be fools for long. It will only take a few bad experiences, and then they'll learn.
      - tptacek 9y ago
        You are not most people on Airbnb. I've rented pretty amazing places on fresh profiles. And really, it's not as if the idea that online rating systems are unhelpful is new to anyone.
        IanDrake 9y ago
        From a single renter's point of view, you have a big pool of places. You'll find one that doesn't mind your new profile. I get that. From a single host's point of view, you have 0% chance of renting with me or the hosts like me. So we're looking at this from different views. I get that people with new profiles CAN find a place, even a nice place. Please get that they won't find it with cautious hosts that are careful about their visitors.
      - inimino 9y ago
        So... just another example of how the AirBnB system offloads risk onto the unsuspecting, then?
        IanDrake 9y ago
        Seriously? On one hand everyone is pissed that people are buying properties just to rent on airbnb (and home away, flipkey, vbro, etc...) and on the other hand we need to protect these same people from themselves? You can't protect the predator and its prey. If you want fewer people buying up properties for short term rentals you should want the weaker ones to have bad experiences and tell all their friends.
        inimino 9y ago
        It's entirely possible to point out that both sides of the market may be harmed when "disrupting" a regulated industry. AirBnB takes a cut of the savings, but the risks are borne by the market participants, whether that means having your property trashed by bad guests, or your trip ruined by bad hosts. The "predator" in your analogy would be AirBnB itself.
  - Sir_Substance 9y ago
    >Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or That depends __entirely__ on where you live. In Iceland, your renting a building is registered with your kennitala (national identification number). Get evicted or damage the property, and all the real estate managers in the country know.
    - IanDrake 9y ago
      For the 336k people who live there I'm sure what you say is true. It's different for the 300+ million of us that live in the US (where this forum is based thus my reasonable presumption that we're not generally conversing about a small isolated island nation).
      - Sir_Substance 9y ago
        >where this forum is based thus my reasonable presumption The 16th word in the post you responded to was "Reykjavik". Second line, first sentence. The post contains the word Iceland once and the word Reykjavik twice. There is only so much I can do to help you on this front.
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        IanDrake 9y ago
        And you responded to a comment that wasn't originally about Iceland. This is a general conversation about airbnb, not airbnb in Iceland, which was my point. So again, you replied to a general conversation with a specific in Iceland. Does that mean we all have to converse about airbnb in Iceland with you? If that's the case, I hope you like having conversations with yourself.

What's your point? Being evicted is a big deal. It's can be difficult to get a next nice apartment if you've been evicted before, especially if you were evicted from your immediate previous apartment. There is no deterrent whatsoever for Airbnb guests, who have no stake in the lease or the local market.

IanDrake 9y ago
No, they have a public rating to maintain on airbnb. Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or keep looking for the next sucker on CL that is a newbie landlord.
- tptacek 9y ago
  That's silly, as anyone who has used Airbnb knows. Your renter rating on Airbnb is meaningless. If you somehow got a bad one, you'd just create a new profile. I've created new profiles for Airbnb rentals simply because I couldn't be arsed to remember which email address I'd used, and had no problems.
  - IanDrake 9y ago
    I can only speak for myself and the 5-6 people I know who rent their properties on these platforms; we don't rent to new profiles. Clearly some people do rent to new profiles. There are fools everywhere, but they won't be fools for long. It will only take a few bad experiences, and then they'll learn.
    - tptacek 9y ago
      You are not most people on Airbnb. I've rented pretty amazing places on fresh profiles. And really, it's not as if the idea that online rating systems are unhelpful is new to anyone.
      - IanDrake 9y ago
        From a single renter's point of view, you have a big pool of places. You'll find one that doesn't mind your new profile. I get that. From a single host's point of view, you have 0% chance of renting with me or the hosts like me. So we're looking at this from different views. I get that people with new profiles CAN find a place, even a nice place. Please get that they won't find it with cautious hosts that are careful about their visitors.
    - inimino 9y ago
      So... just another example of how the AirBnB system offloads risk onto the unsuspecting, then?
      - IanDrake 9y ago
        Seriously? On one hand everyone is pissed that people are buying properties just to rent on airbnb (and home away, flipkey, vbro, etc...) and on the other hand we need to protect these same people from themselves? You can't protect the predator and its prey. If you want fewer people buying up properties for short term rentals you should want the weaker ones to have bad experiences and tell all their friends.
        inimino 9y ago
        It's entirely possible to point out that both sides of the market may be harmed when "disrupting" a regulated industry. AirBnB takes a cut of the savings, but the risks are borne by the market participants, whether that means having your property trashed by bad guests, or your trip ruined by bad hosts. The "predator" in your analogy would be AirBnB itself.
- Sir_Substance 9y ago
  >Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or That depends __entirely__ on where you live. In Iceland, your renting a building is registered with your kennitala (national identification number). Get evicted or damage the property, and all the real estate managers in the country know.
  - IanDrake 9y ago
    For the 336k people who live there I'm sure what you say is true. It's different for the 300+ million of us that live in the US (where this forum is based thus my reasonable presumption that we're not generally conversing about a small isolated island nation).
    - Sir_Substance 9y ago
      >where this forum is based thus my reasonable presumption The 16th word in the post you responded to was "Reykjavik". Second line, first sentence. The post contains the word Iceland once and the word Reykjavik twice. There is only so much I can do to help you on this front.
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      - IanDrake 9y ago
        And you responded to a comment that wasn't originally about Iceland. This is a general conversation about airbnb, not airbnb in Iceland, which was my point. So again, you replied to a general conversation with a specific in Iceland. Does that mean we all have to converse about airbnb in Iceland with you? If that's the case, I hope you like having conversations with yourself.