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That sounds terrible, but would it be less terrible if your loud and obnoxious neighbors were long term renters? My vacation rentals have rules, especially abo

That sounds terrible, but would it be less terrible if your loud and obnoxious neighbors were long term renters? My vacation rentals have rules, especially about noise. If you break the rules I can literally force you to leave right then, as in, collect your stuff and go right now. You have no recourse. The police will help me toss you if you don't go willingly. If I rented to you long term, I don't have that luxury. I'd have to evict you over months of court precedings and you'd have plenty of time to vindictively trash my property. In fact, this is one of the main reasons I don't do long term rentals.

tptacek 9y ago
Yes: you can be evicted over persistent noise complaints.
- IanDrake 9y ago
  Evicted being the key word. That is a very long process.
  - tptacek 9y ago
    What's your point? Being evicted is a big deal. It's can be difficult to get a next nice apartment if you've been evicted before, especially if you were evicted from your immediate previous apartment. There is no deterrent whatsoever for Airbnb guests, who have no stake in the lease or the local market.
    - IanDrake 9y ago
      No, they have a public rating to maintain on airbnb. Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or keep looking for the next sucker on CL that is a newbie landlord.
      - tptacek 9y ago
        That's silly, as anyone who has used Airbnb knows. Your renter rating on Airbnb is meaningless. If you somehow got a bad one, you'd just create a new profile. I've created new profiles for Airbnb rentals simply because I couldn't be arsed to remember which email address I'd used, and had no problems.
        IanDrake 9y ago
        I can only speak for myself and the 5-6 people I know who rent their properties on these platforms; we don't rent to new profiles. Clearly some people do rent to new profiles. There are fools everywhere, but they won't be fools for long. It will only take a few bad experiences, and then they'll learn.
        tptacek 9y ago
        You are not most people on Airbnb. I've rented pretty amazing places on fresh profiles. And really, it's not as if the idea that online rating systems are unhelpful is new to anyone.
        IanDrake 9y ago
        From a single renter's point of view, you have a big pool of places. You'll find one that doesn't mind your new profile. I get that. From a single host's point of view, you have 0% chance of renting with me or the hosts like me. So we're looking at this from different views. I get that people with new profiles CAN find a place, even a nice place. Please get that they won't find it with cautious hosts that are careful about their visitors.
        inimino 9y ago
        So... just another example of how the AirBnB system offloads risk onto the unsuspecting, then?
        IanDrake 9y ago
Sir_Substance 9y ago
>That sounds terrible, but would it be less terrible if your loud and obnoxious neighbors were long term renters? The rate of loud and obnoxious long term renters is lower, due to the risk of people going to your landlord and forcing your eviction. This can only be done if your behavior is chronic and long standing as an individual. There is no local law I am aware of allowing action against a cycle of short term tenants. >My vacation rentals have rules, especially about noise. If you break the rules I can literally force you to leave right then, as in, collect your stuff and go right now. A landlord who does this will get negative reviews, which will directly lower their income. AirBnB landlords are literally paid to ignore complaints.
- IanDrake 9y ago
  >The rate of loud and obnoxious long term renters is lower, due to the risk of people going to your landlord and forcing your eviction. I agree that the rate is higher, but not the reason. Most bad renters know it's almost impossible to get evicted from a long term rental. You must not know anyone who is a long term landlord, because you throw around the word eviction like it's nothing. It's a long and expensive process at the end of which you'll most likely have extensive property damage on top of lost rent. Frankly, you're overestimating the importance of a negative review. If we ever had to kick someone out it would be for a good reason. If you had a party at the house, that would be against our contract and you'd get tossed. I'd then get a bad review, mixed in with all my other 5 star reviews. To that one review I would simply respond "Visitor threw a party with 20 people which was in violation of our contract. This is not a party house and we're upfront about that. Anyone who thinks they can rent my property under false pretenses should heed this review and not rent from me." Now I'm better off on airbnb. My average review is still high and now prospective visitors know I won't put up with shit.
Jasper_ 9y ago
But as a host, you want the 5 star rating for fear of being delisted. If you throw someone out, goodbye to your lucrative vacation rental. Noise complaints from other tenants often fall on deaf ears.
- IanDrake 9y ago
  As I said elsewhere, I wouldn't hesitate. I screen visitors well and I get 5 star reviews. Any one star reviews can be explained away easily. I've never had to do it as a host, but I've stayed at places with some one star reviews where the host provided a reasonable explanation in response.

tptacek 9y ago

Yes: you can be evicted over persistent noise complaints.

IanDrake 9y ago
Evicted being the key word. That is a very long process.
- tptacek 9y ago
  What's your point? Being evicted is a big deal. It's can be difficult to get a next nice apartment if you've been evicted before, especially if you were evicted from your immediate previous apartment. There is no deterrent whatsoever for Airbnb guests, who have no stake in the lease or the local market.
  - IanDrake 9y ago
    No, they have a public rating to maintain on airbnb. Evictions are actually easy to hide, just move to a different state or keep looking for the next sucker on CL that is a newbie landlord.
    - tptacek 9y ago
      That's silly, as anyone who has used Airbnb knows. Your renter rating on Airbnb is meaningless. If you somehow got a bad one, you'd just create a new profile. I've created new profiles for Airbnb rentals simply because I couldn't be arsed to remember which email address I'd used, and had no problems.
      - IanDrake 9y ago
        I can only speak for myself and the 5-6 people I know who rent their properties on these platforms; we don't rent to new profiles. Clearly some people do rent to new profiles. There are fools everywhere, but they won't be fools for long. It will only take a few bad experiences, and then they'll learn.
        tptacek 9y ago
        You are not most people on Airbnb. I've rented pretty amazing places on fresh profiles. And really, it's not as if the idea that online rating systems are unhelpful is new to anyone.
        IanDrake 9y ago
        From a single renter's point of view, you have a big pool of places. You'll find one that doesn't mind your new profile. I get that. From a single host's point of view, you have 0% chance of renting with me or the hosts like me. So we're looking at this from different views. I get that people with new profiles CAN find a place, even a nice place. Please get that they won't find it with cautious hosts that are careful about their visitors.
        inimino 9y ago
        So... just another example of how the AirBnB system offloads risk onto the unsuspecting, then?
        IanDrake 9y ago

Sir_Substance 9y ago

>That sounds terrible, but would it be less terrible if your loud and obnoxious neighbors were long term renters? The rate of loud and obnoxious long term renters is lower, due to the risk of people going to your landlord and forcing your eviction. This can only be done if your behavior is chronic and long standing as an individual. There is no local law I am aware of allowing action against a cycle of short term tenants. >My vacation rentals have rules, especially about noise. If you break the rules I can literally force you to leave right then, as in, collect your stuff and go right now. A landlord who does this will get negative reviews, which will directly lower their income. AirBnB landlords are literally paid to ignore complaints.

IanDrake 9y ago
>The rate of loud and obnoxious long term renters is lower, due to the risk of people going to your landlord and forcing your eviction. I agree that the rate is higher, but not the reason. Most bad renters know it's almost impossible to get evicted from a long term rental. You must not know anyone who is a long term landlord, because you throw around the word eviction like it's nothing. It's a long and expensive process at the end of which you'll most likely have extensive property damage on top of lost rent. Frankly, you're overestimating the importance of a negative review. If we ever had to kick someone out it would be for a good reason. If you had a party at the house, that would be against our contract and you'd get tossed. I'd then get a bad review, mixed in with all my other 5 star reviews. To that one review I would simply respond "Visitor threw a party with 20 people which was in violation of our contract. This is not a party house and we're upfront about that. Anyone who thinks they can rent my property under false pretenses should heed this review and not rent from me." Now I'm better off on airbnb. My average review is still high and now prospective visitors know I won't put up with shit.

Jasper_ 9y ago

But as a host, you want the 5 star rating for fear of being delisted. If you throw someone out, goodbye to your lucrative vacation rental. Noise complaints from other tenants often fall on deaf ears.

IanDrake 9y ago
As I said elsewhere, I wouldn't hesitate. I screen visitors well and I get 5 star reviews. Any one star reviews can be explained away easily. I've never had to do it as a host, but I've stayed at places with some one star reviews where the host provided a reasonable explanation in response.