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Are there any efforts to make movie-type window styles for real use? The Tron:Legacy style would be a fun one to have, as well as the one used in the computers

Are there any efforts to make movie-type window styles for real use? The Tron:Legacy style would be a fun one to have, as well as the one used in the computers in Westworld (similar light-blue-on-black)[1] and Interstellar [2]. I'm sure it's a more difficult process than I'm imagining, but it would be really cool to be able to use the window and interface themes of the computers in your favorite show or movie, especially since some have such great designs. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikup60uEg0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikup60uEg0c [2] - https://youtu.be/bmz9lMP6aQU?t=2m4s https://youtu.be/bmz9lMP6aQU?t=2m4s, visible for a brief second just after 2m4s

Rjevski 9y ago
The main problem with this kind of UI is information overload (which is the desired effect in movies, since the viewer isn't actually supposed to "use" nor understand all of the info displayed). There's no way to make this usable unless you lower the amount of info displayed, but then it will loose its "cool" factor.
- naikrovek 9y ago
  A good designer, paid to do so, could create very cool and useful UIs, I am sure. Ultimately, it will depend on your own definition of "cool" and "useful" as to how well any one UI suits those labels.
- martin_ky 9y ago
  Exactly. These fictional UIs are designed for a single end - to look good on camera. I think there is an inverse correlation between "cool" and "useful" - the "cool" often distracts from the "useful". While this kind of UI could work for something trivial like a simple calculator or alarm clock, in my experience it does not work for serious applications. As works of art however, these things are a beauty to look at - http://sciencefictioninterfaces.tumblr.com/ http://sciencefictioninterfaces.tumblr.com/ I had this idea first back when I saw Star Trek The Next Generation and its slick flat computer panels, called "okudagrams" after their designer, Michael Okuda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS. I tried to reproduce the look in a note-taking application. It didn't work. The UI was dominated by these large colored buttons and arches, with too much contrast against the black background, leaving too little room for the actual content.
  - djsumdog 9y ago
    If you watch Cinemasins, he often makes fun of how useless 3D holographic displays really are for displaying and understanding data.
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  - mmjaa 9y ago
    A corollary to this, though, is that UI's that cater to a well-written script and deliver the user into a story, which they enjoy manifesting over and over again, is a successful one. There is a lot of room for creative metaphor in computer UI, in my opinion - however, I do also agree with your contention that its up to the user. I'm quite sure these complicated interfaces are good for, at the very least, one single user.
- kwekly 9y ago
  I work in the control room for an electrical generation system an this isn't the case at all for us. Each desk has 12 ~30 inch monitors, and each monitor has a similar degree of information density, from monitors of system frequency, voltages, power flows etc. around the network, also financial / market information. There's a mix of diagrams, tabular data, maps, plots. Two of the monitors are devoted to a geographic view with weather data, locations of field staff etc. Check out the similar setup from this California control room: https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2016/06/17/california-iso-braces-for-heatwave.html#i1 https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2016/06/17/calif... Most displays show live data, but are not setup to be interacted with normally. I think the truth is probably due to: 1) the same with all enterprise software, the folks who end up using the displays have token-to-no input into the purchasing or design decisions. Actually now I think of it, check out the interfaces marketed to electronic music composers (generally individuals or small studios): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8R55xMyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8R55xMyo 2) While I bet operators would select Tronish UI given the choice, they don't _need_ it because ultimately (with enough experience) the model of the system sits in your head, and the interface simply gives cues.
  - legolassexyman 9y ago
    I work in this industry and there are a lot of bad UI choices all around. The picture of the California board looks like a good example and uncluttered. They have the budget out there to do that. It doesn't have to be this way. There are standards for high performance HMI design where nothing is colored in unless it is an alarm condition. I usually have to end up designing things the "bad way" because of customer expectation/demand. Some guy designed a screen back in 1989 and that became what they expect.
    - Animats 9y ago
      CAISO's big board is reasonably uncluttered. PJM's has too much small stuff. [1] But everybody probably uses mostly the screens at their own position. One can get carried away. Here's the control room for Moscow United's power control room. This is just for the Moscow area, not a regional grid control room like the others.[2] This is the as-built version. The original plan [3] looked like a set for a Bond movie, including a suspended oval glass conference room overlooking the big board. That was from Russia's oligarch era. [1] https://www.elliottlewis.com/app/css/images/pjm-control-room-.jpg https://www.elliottlewis.com/app/css/images/pjm-control-room... [2] https://www.dezeen.com/2009/08/03/electricity-distribution-control-centre-by-arch-group-and-abtb/ https://www.dezeen.com/2009/08/03/electricity-distribution-c... [3] http://www.experience-it-all.com/2009/08/moscow%E2%80%99s-electricity-control-room/ http://www.experience-it-all.com/2009/08/moscow%E2%80%99s-el...
- laumars 9y ago
  To be honest that looks like your typical sysadmins interface. A tiling window manager and/or few tmux sessions and you quickly end up with the same level of information density.
vcjohnson 9y ago
I used the gnome theme for the movie Live Free or Die Hard on linux back in 2008 or so https://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Die+Hard+4.0+-+Matthew+Farrel's+theme+(E?content=66714 https://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Die+Hard+4.0+-+M... for reference this is what it looked like in the movie: https://nmap.org/movies/diehard4/nmap-diehard4-crop-600x300.png https://nmap.org/movies/diehard4/nmap-diehard4-crop-600x300....

Rjevski 9y ago

The main problem with this kind of UI is information overload (which is the desired effect in movies, since the viewer isn't actually supposed to "use" nor understand all of the info displayed). There's no way to make this usable unless you lower the amount of info displayed, but then it will loose its "cool" factor.

naikrovek 9y ago
A good designer, paid to do so, could create very cool and useful UIs, I am sure. Ultimately, it will depend on your own definition of "cool" and "useful" as to how well any one UI suits those labels.
martin_ky 9y ago
Exactly. These fictional UIs are designed for a single end - to look good on camera. I think there is an inverse correlation between "cool" and "useful" - the "cool" often distracts from the "useful". While this kind of UI could work for something trivial like a simple calculator or alarm clock, in my experience it does not work for serious applications. As works of art however, these things are a beauty to look at - http://sciencefictioninterfaces.tumblr.com/ http://sciencefictioninterfaces.tumblr.com/ I had this idea first back when I saw Star Trek The Next Generation and its slick flat computer panels, called "okudagrams" after their designer, Michael Okuda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS. I tried to reproduce the look in a note-taking application. It didn't work. The UI was dominated by these large colored buttons and arches, with too much contrast against the black background, leaving too little room for the actual content.
- djsumdog 9y ago
  If you watch Cinemasins, he often makes fun of how useless 3D holographic displays really are for displaying and understanding data.
- deleted 9y ago
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- mmjaa 9y ago
  A corollary to this, though, is that UI's that cater to a well-written script and deliver the user into a story, which they enjoy manifesting over and over again, is a successful one. There is a lot of room for creative metaphor in computer UI, in my opinion - however, I do also agree with your contention that its up to the user. I'm quite sure these complicated interfaces are good for, at the very least, one single user.
kwekly 9y ago
I work in the control room for an electrical generation system an this isn't the case at all for us. Each desk has 12 ~30 inch monitors, and each monitor has a similar degree of information density, from monitors of system frequency, voltages, power flows etc. around the network, also financial / market information. There's a mix of diagrams, tabular data, maps, plots. Two of the monitors are devoted to a geographic view with weather data, locations of field staff etc. Check out the similar setup from this California control room: https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2016/06/17/california-iso-braces-for-heatwave.html#i1 https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2016/06/17/calif... Most displays show live data, but are not setup to be interacted with normally. I think the truth is probably due to: 1) the same with all enterprise software, the folks who end up using the displays have token-to-no input into the purchasing or design decisions. Actually now I think of it, check out the interfaces marketed to electronic music composers (generally individuals or small studios): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8R55xMyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOq8R55xMyo 2) While I bet operators would select Tronish UI given the choice, they don't _need_ it because ultimately (with enough experience) the model of the system sits in your head, and the interface simply gives cues.
- legolassexyman 9y ago
  I work in this industry and there are a lot of bad UI choices all around. The picture of the California board looks like a good example and uncluttered. They have the budget out there to do that. It doesn't have to be this way. There are standards for high performance HMI design where nothing is colored in unless it is an alarm condition. I usually have to end up designing things the "bad way" because of customer expectation/demand. Some guy designed a screen back in 1989 and that became what they expect.
  - Animats 9y ago
    CAISO's big board is reasonably uncluttered. PJM's has too much small stuff. [1] But everybody probably uses mostly the screens at their own position. One can get carried away. Here's the control room for Moscow United's power control room. This is just for the Moscow area, not a regional grid control room like the others.[2] This is the as-built version. The original plan [3] looked like a set for a Bond movie, including a suspended oval glass conference room overlooking the big board. That was from Russia's oligarch era. [1] https://www.elliottlewis.com/app/css/images/pjm-control-room-.jpg https://www.elliottlewis.com/app/css/images/pjm-control-room... [2] https://www.dezeen.com/2009/08/03/electricity-distribution-control-centre-by-arch-group-and-abtb/ https://www.dezeen.com/2009/08/03/electricity-distribution-c... [3] http://www.experience-it-all.com/2009/08/moscow%E2%80%99s-electricity-control-room/ http://www.experience-it-all.com/2009/08/moscow%E2%80%99s-el...
laumars 9y ago
To be honest that looks like your typical sysadmins interface. A tiling window manager and/or few tmux sessions and you quickly end up with the same level of information density.

vcjohnson 9y ago

I used the gnome theme for the movie Live Free or Die Hard on linux back in 2008 or so https://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Die+Hard+4.0+-+Matthew+Farrel's+theme+(E?content=66714 https://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Die+Hard+4.0+-+M... for reference this is what it looked like in the movie: https://nmap.org/movies/diehard4/nmap-diehard4-crop-600x300.png https://nmap.org/movies/diehard4/nmap-diehard4-crop-600x300....