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Yeah, absolute statements like "the science is settled" are rather unscientific. Good science must acknowledge the limits of our knowledge, and leave the door o

Yeah, absolute statements like "the science is settled" are rather unscientific. Good science must acknowledge the limits of our knowledge, and leave the door open to being proven wrong.

Will_Parker 9y ago
Every point of knowledge has a degree of certainty or uncertainty around it. It certainly isn't a point that is taught well enough in education. "The science is settled that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old" is a perfectly fair statement, for instance.
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  Science never settles anything, it's why it's such a successful idea. "Current evidence says the world is about 13.8 billion years old" is the way I would word that. With your method, a later revision says science was wrong, when it just didn't have enough evidence.
  - Will_Parker 9y ago
    It makes a difference whether you're speaking pragmatically or philosophically. Since we live in a practical universe, there are facts of science that are so well established that there is no reason to doubt them. And many facts that aren't as well established.
    - meric 9y ago
      I know in this practical universe, Newton's laws of physics and Einstein's views of quantum physics were both at one point "facts" but later shown to be mere approximations and both of them worth being doubted. There's no point to having science if all we are going to do is assume everything that comes out of the process as the gospel.
      - burntsushi 9y ago
        > There's no point to having science if all we are going to do is assume everything that comes out of the process as the gospel. As far as I can tell, nobody in this thread is even remotely suggesting that.
        meric 9y ago
        If I didn't think the parent I was replying to was suggesting exactly that, then I wouldn't have made the reply I did.
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      Using your pragmatic language provides almost no benefit, and it opens the door to people doubting science as it has been wrong before.
- mcbits 9y ago
  The known universe was 13.7 billion years old until a couple years ago. Either way, we're still talking +/- tens of millions of years with 68% confidence. At 95%, the interval is something closer to a billion years. Unless they've tightened it up since I last read about it when the 13.8 figure came out...
honestoHeminway 9y ago
Good science relies on tested data- and this tested data stays the same. The rules derived from it, may become more detailed - or in some cases even completely overthrown with a new ruleset, which will provide a reference frame that can produce such data. Best example for science is the Newton Physics, which allowed for pretty close calculations on planetary movements. The data gathered stayed the same, but the unexplained edge-cases and small deviations, where better explained by Einsteins theory.

Yeah, absolute statements like "the science is settled" are rather unscientific. Good science must acknowledge the limits of our knowledge, and leave the door open to being proven wrong.

Will_Parker 9y ago

Every point of knowledge has a degree of certainty or uncertainty around it. It certainly isn't a point that is taught well enough in education. "The science is settled that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old" is a perfectly fair statement, for instance.

boomboomsubban 9y ago
Science never settles anything, it's why it's such a successful idea. "Current evidence says the world is about 13.8 billion years old" is the way I would word that. With your method, a later revision says science was wrong, when it just didn't have enough evidence.
- Will_Parker 9y ago
  It makes a difference whether you're speaking pragmatically or philosophically. Since we live in a practical universe, there are facts of science that are so well established that there is no reason to doubt them. And many facts that aren't as well established.
  - meric 9y ago
    I know in this practical universe, Newton's laws of physics and Einstein's views of quantum physics were both at one point "facts" but later shown to be mere approximations and both of them worth being doubted. There's no point to having science if all we are going to do is assume everything that comes out of the process as the gospel.
    - burntsushi 9y ago
      > There's no point to having science if all we are going to do is assume everything that comes out of the process as the gospel. As far as I can tell, nobody in this thread is even remotely suggesting that.
      - meric 9y ago
        If I didn't think the parent I was replying to was suggesting exactly that, then I wouldn't have made the reply I did.
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    Using your pragmatic language provides almost no benefit, and it opens the door to people doubting science as it has been wrong before.
mcbits 9y ago
The known universe was 13.7 billion years old until a couple years ago. Either way, we're still talking +/- tens of millions of years with 68% confidence. At 95%, the interval is something closer to a billion years. Unless they've tightened it up since I last read about it when the 13.8 figure came out...

honestoHeminway 9y ago

Good science relies on tested data- and this tested data stays the same. The rules derived from it, may become more detailed - or in some cases even completely overthrown with a new ruleset, which will provide a reference frame that can produce such data. Best example for science is the Newton Physics, which allowed for pretty close calculations on planetary movements. The data gathered stayed the same, but the unexplained edge-cases and small deviations, where better explained by Einsteins theory.