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You say you're surprised, and then confirm my opinion almost to the letter. Truth is, it's dangerous to not "keep it to yourself", so people don't talk about it

by 0xbear 9y ago

You say you're surprised, and then confirm my opinion almost to the letter. Truth is, it's dangerous to not "keep it to yourself", so people don't talk about it.

rifung 9y ago
Perhaps I didn't express myself well but I certainly did not intend to confirm your statement. > Truth is, it's dangerous to not "keep it to yourself", so people don't talk about it. I meant people don't talk about it out of respect for their coworkers, not because they are afraid to get fired. I'm sure there are some who are just afraid to get fired, but I sincerely believe they're the minority.
- 0xbear 9y ago
  Can't tell if you're one of those people who get people fired for differences of opinion or you just honestly don't see it. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter. I find it amusing that I only have to concern myself with "respect for my coworkers" if my opinion is different from the liberal side on some cause célèbre. I.e. if I comply with liberal dogma and say that having lower hiring bar (or other kinds of preferential treatment) for women is OK, I can say so publicly without fear of it being a career limiting move, but if I believe the opposite and say so publicly, I'm 100% guaranteed to receive a ping from HR reminding me to STFU and never mention it again.
  - rifung 9y ago
    > I find it amusing that I only have to concern myself with "respect for my coworkers" if my opinion is different from the liberal side on some cause célèbre I can see why you would think this because as far as I can tell a large majority of Googlers are liberal, but I don't believe this is the case? I'm pretty sure if you went around saying Trump supporters are racists or something you would also quickly get reprimanded.. Indeed I had to call some people out for being really insulting to conservatives because that is really not okay either =/
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      > Indeed I had to call some people out for being really insulting to conservatives because that is really not okay either Slightly off-topic but I don't understand this viewpoint. The conservative stance, as best I can tell from following politics, generally involves enriching the 1% whilst actively wanting to hurt the less well off and minorities. To me, that does not warrant politeness and pleasantries.
      - sobani 9y ago
        Aren't those Republican voting miners from Ohio or something (I'm from Europe) part of those conservatives? If not, who exactly are those conservatives you're talking about? As an outside observer I always equaled conservative with Republican. Can you explain why this is not the case?
      - 0xbear 9y ago
        You are mindlessly parroting liberal talking points. I'm not going to try to change your mind here, but do try to hear the actual conservative POV from an actual person offline, not what the democrats tell you it is.
        zimpenfish 9y ago
        > You are mindlessly parroting liberal talking points. Of course. > do try to hear the actual conservative POV from an actual person offline What about living for decades under conservative rule in the UK? Or watching what the GOP have been doing for the last 20 years? Do those count as hearing the "actual conservative POV"?
    - stmfreak 9y ago
      LOL. Trump supporters are totally fair game in the valley.
- 4ad 9y ago
  > I meant people don't talk about it [saying someone else looks good in a bathing suit] out of respect for their coworkers, not because they are afraid to get fired. There is nothing disrespectuful about saying saying someone looks good in a bathing suit. It's normal social interaction. In fact the supression of various forms of normal social interraction, either by some explicit rule or law, or by some sort of chilling effect is what's causing all these crazy problems.

by 0xbear 9y ago

You say you're surprised, and then confirm my opinion almost to the letter. Truth is, it's dangerous to not "keep it to yourself", so people don't talk about it.

rifung 9y ago

Perhaps I didn't express myself well but I certainly did not intend to confirm your statement. > Truth is, it's dangerous to not "keep it to yourself", so people don't talk about it. I meant people don't talk about it out of respect for their coworkers, not because they are afraid to get fired. I'm sure there are some who are just afraid to get fired, but I sincerely believe they're the minority.

0xbear 9y ago
Can't tell if you're one of those people who get people fired for differences of opinion or you just honestly don't see it. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter. I find it amusing that I only have to concern myself with "respect for my coworkers" if my opinion is different from the liberal side on some cause célèbre. I.e. if I comply with liberal dogma and say that having lower hiring bar (or other kinds of preferential treatment) for women is OK, I can say so publicly without fear of it being a career limiting move, but if I believe the opposite and say so publicly, I'm 100% guaranteed to receive a ping from HR reminding me to STFU and never mention it again.
- rifung 9y ago
  > I find it amusing that I only have to concern myself with "respect for my coworkers" if my opinion is different from the liberal side on some cause célèbre I can see why you would think this because as far as I can tell a large majority of Googlers are liberal, but I don't believe this is the case? I'm pretty sure if you went around saying Trump supporters are racists or something you would also quickly get reprimanded.. Indeed I had to call some people out for being really insulting to conservatives because that is really not okay either =/
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > Indeed I had to call some people out for being really insulting to conservatives because that is really not okay either Slightly off-topic but I don't understand this viewpoint. The conservative stance, as best I can tell from following politics, generally involves enriching the 1% whilst actively wanting to hurt the less well off and minorities. To me, that does not warrant politeness and pleasantries.
    - sobani 9y ago
      Aren't those Republican voting miners from Ohio or something (I'm from Europe) part of those conservatives? If not, who exactly are those conservatives you're talking about? As an outside observer I always equaled conservative with Republican. Can you explain why this is not the case?
    - 0xbear 9y ago
      You are mindlessly parroting liberal talking points. I'm not going to try to change your mind here, but do try to hear the actual conservative POV from an actual person offline, not what the democrats tell you it is.
      - zimpenfish 9y ago
        > You are mindlessly parroting liberal talking points. Of course. > do try to hear the actual conservative POV from an actual person offline What about living for decades under conservative rule in the UK? Or watching what the GOP have been doing for the last 20 years? Do those count as hearing the "actual conservative POV"?
  - stmfreak 9y ago
    LOL. Trump supporters are totally fair game in the valley.
4ad 9y ago
> I meant people don't talk about it [saying someone else looks good in a bathing suit] out of respect for their coworkers, not because they are afraid to get fired. There is nothing disrespectuful about saying saying someone looks good in a bathing suit. It's normal social interaction. In fact the supression of various forms of normal social interraction, either by some explicit rule or law, or by some sort of chilling effect is what's causing all these crazy problems.