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Is this actually the case? I haven't seen any hard numbers on pollutants. I was under the impression that even with the rigging, each car released far less emis

Is this actually the case? I haven't seen any hard numbers on pollutants. I was under the impression that even with the rigging, each car released far less emissions than that of heavier diesel engines. I should clarify. Regardless of how polluting they are, I agree that assets should be frozen.

Xylakant 9y ago
In case of NOx, this is not true. NOx can be cleaned fairly well from the exhaust by injection of AdBlue, it's just that cars don't carry a large enough supply and car manufacturers did decide that hey don't want customers to be bothered by filling that up. Trucks however trept AdBlue as a consumable that needs to be refilled like fuel and don't suffer from that particular issue. (Though some are apparently rigged to not use AdBlue to save money)
acd 9y ago
5000 persons will die per year in the EU due to diesel cheating. 15000 persons will die per year due to excess Nox emissions i.e. the result of selling in "clean diesel" by the car industry when in effect it is very dirty. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/15/diesel-emissions-test-scandal-causes-38000-early-deaths-year-study?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/15/diesel-e...
- Z-Widwil 9y ago
  I'm not trying to defend their actions. It just seems that if NOx emissions were such a threat, that we'd eliminate those that produce mass qualities of them. How can it be determined whether people died from these emissions of those of cargo ships?
  - mikeash 9y ago
    Particulates from cargo ships aren't a major concern for human health. They're not long-lived in the atmosphere, so when emitted over the open ocean, they're removed from the air long before they reach populated areas.
    - lostlogin 9y ago
      Presumably into the sea. Is that a problem or is it a non event?
      - mikeash 9y ago
        Not sure! It's way, way better than emitting it in a place where millions of people will breathe it, but I'm sure it's not harmless.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  To be fair, they will die prematurely where it is not specified just how prematurely that will be.

Xylakant 9y ago

In case of NOx, this is not true. NOx can be cleaned fairly well from the exhaust by injection of AdBlue, it's just that cars don't carry a large enough supply and car manufacturers did decide that hey don't want customers to be bothered by filling that up. Trucks however trept AdBlue as a consumable that needs to be refilled like fuel and don't suffer from that particular issue. (Though some are apparently rigged to not use AdBlue to save money)

acd 9y ago

5000 persons will die per year in the EU due to diesel cheating. 15000 persons will die per year due to excess Nox emissions i.e. the result of selling in "clean diesel" by the car industry when in effect it is very dirty. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/15/diesel-emissions-test-scandal-causes-38000-early-deaths-year-study?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/15/diesel-e...

Z-Widwil 9y ago
I'm not trying to defend their actions. It just seems that if NOx emissions were such a threat, that we'd eliminate those that produce mass qualities of them. How can it be determined whether people died from these emissions of those of cargo ships?
- mikeash 9y ago
  Particulates from cargo ships aren't a major concern for human health. They're not long-lived in the atmosphere, so when emitted over the open ocean, they're removed from the air long before they reach populated areas.
  - lostlogin 9y ago
    Presumably into the sea. Is that a problem or is it a non event?
    - mikeash 9y ago
      Not sure! It's way, way better than emitting it in a place where millions of people will breathe it, but I'm sure it's not harmless.
jacquesm 9y ago
To be fair, they will die prematurely where it is not specified just how prematurely that will be.