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Right, if only America were as "ethical" as other countries like the one that gives a person who murders 80 children a little 3-room apartment with a Playstatio

Right, if only America were as "ethical" as other countries like the one that gives a person who murders 80 children a little 3-room apartment with a Playstation 2, personal PC, kitchen, exercise area, etc. where they can write their memoirs

madez 9y ago
That might sound unfair, but that doesn't make it necessarily wrong. There are also things that are intuitive, but wrong. We can reason and overrule our intuition.
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reitanqild 9y ago
Speaking as someone who has possibly paid less than a millionth of his playstation 2 I think it is kind of ok. I would preferred they found him insane and ordered mandatory treatment for the rest of his life. This might sound weird but it's not really IMO: being found insane was the only thing he feared. As soon as he was sentenced to life in prison it was pretty clear he wouldn't appeal to a higher court. From what we know about him it seemed he would be fine with death penalty as well but Norway doesn't have that option. Oh - and for why Norwegians are happy to let him have a playstation 2: I guess a good reason is that it makes it much harder for him to claim that he's being "tortured" etc. : )
- kwhitefoot 9y ago
  Treating him as a common criminal was the key decision. Why do people outside Norway keep bringing it up anyway. They weren't there, they don't have friends or relatives who were there. Yet while almost everyone who lives in Norway either knows someone who was on Utøya or has a close relative who knows someone who was there we mostly get on with our lives and ignore him.
  - madez 9y ago
    This reminds of how people react when someone says hes vegan. Quite a few people react negatively to it, even when there was no evangelism occurring but just plain stating. It seems to be insecurity.
    - ad_hominem 9y ago
      A ridiculous comparison apropos of nothing.
  - ad_hominem 9y ago
    > Why do people outside Norway keep bringing it up anyway You've got it backwards. I only brought it up after the person I replied to finger-wagged America about how it needs to be more "ethical" in how it treats criminals; I wasn't trying to tell Norway what to do. The same type of person that tells Americans how we need to deal with firearms despite not living here or being familiar with our culture or rights. The purpose of my example is that I believe just as it's possible to be cold and cruel to criminals that are locked up, it can be quite cruel to victims' families to give the criminal excessive creature comforts after they've violently snuffed out their familymember's life. I mean for god's sake we have to set some limit or else we might as well just turn them back out on the street again. In addition, in most first-world western countries, many folks are detached from death and violence so that when we hear of a murder, we have a very abstract view of it. Why don't you actually watch a 10-year-old boy be stabbed to death[1], and for one minute try and imagine the fear and pain of that boy in his last moments, the heartache that will destroy his whole family, and if you're such a big fan of restorative justice, why don't you imagine this guy living next to the playground of your children's school when you let him out? Now if it's possible, try to amplify the brutality of that single murder by a factor of 77 in the case of Anders Breivik and try to justify to yourself all the creature comforts he's given. I'm not saying we need to go back to biblical "eye for an eye" punishment, but on the same token we can't be excessively lenient on criminals who have no hope for restorative justice either. [1]: https://forum.deathaddict.com/threads/cctv-captures-a-man-stabbing-a-10-year-old-boy-to-death.5609/ https://forum.deathaddict.com/threads/cctv-captures-a-man-st...

madez 9y ago

That might sound unfair, but that doesn't make it necessarily wrong. There are also things that are intuitive, but wrong. We can reason and overrule our intuition.

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reitanqild 9y ago

Speaking as someone who has possibly paid less than a millionth of his playstation 2 I think it is kind of ok. I would preferred they found him insane and ordered mandatory treatment for the rest of his life. This might sound weird but it's not really IMO: being found insane was the only thing he feared. As soon as he was sentenced to life in prison it was pretty clear he wouldn't appeal to a higher court. From what we know about him it seemed he would be fine with death penalty as well but Norway doesn't have that option. Oh - and for why Norwegians are happy to let him have a playstation 2: I guess a good reason is that it makes it much harder for him to claim that he's being "tortured" etc. : )

kwhitefoot 9y ago
Treating him as a common criminal was the key decision. Why do people outside Norway keep bringing it up anyway. They weren't there, they don't have friends or relatives who were there. Yet while almost everyone who lives in Norway either knows someone who was on Utøya or has a close relative who knows someone who was there we mostly get on with our lives and ignore him.
- madez 9y ago
  This reminds of how people react when someone says hes vegan. Quite a few people react negatively to it, even when there was no evangelism occurring but just plain stating. It seems to be insecurity.
  - ad_hominem 9y ago
    A ridiculous comparison apropos of nothing.
- ad_hominem 9y ago
  > Why do people outside Norway keep bringing it up anyway You've got it backwards. I only brought it up after the person I replied to finger-wagged America about how it needs to be more "ethical" in how it treats criminals; I wasn't trying to tell Norway what to do. The same type of person that tells Americans how we need to deal with firearms despite not living here or being familiar with our culture or rights. The purpose of my example is that I believe just as it's possible to be cold and cruel to criminals that are locked up, it can be quite cruel to victims' families to give the criminal excessive creature comforts after they've violently snuffed out their familymember's life. I mean for god's sake we have to set some limit or else we might as well just turn them back out on the street again. In addition, in most first-world western countries, many folks are detached from death and violence so that when we hear of a murder, we have a very abstract view of it. Why don't you actually watch a 10-year-old boy be stabbed to death[1], and for one minute try and imagine the fear and pain of that boy in his last moments, the heartache that will destroy his whole family, and if you're such a big fan of restorative justice, why don't you imagine this guy living next to the playground of your children's school when you let him out? Now if it's possible, try to amplify the brutality of that single murder by a factor of 77 in the case of Anders Breivik and try to justify to yourself all the creature comforts he's given. I'm not saying we need to go back to biblical "eye for an eye" punishment, but on the same token we can't be excessively lenient on criminals who have no hope for restorative justice either. [1]: https://forum.deathaddict.com/threads/cctv-captures-a-man-stabbing-a-10-year-old-boy-to-death.5609/ https://forum.deathaddict.com/threads/cctv-captures-a-man-st...