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If this was someone left wing who published a piece saying that women should be paid more then it would hardly cause any commotion. I haven't read the document

If this was someone left wing who published a piece saying that women should be paid more then it would hardly cause any commotion. I haven't read the document but it seems that those that disagree with the contents now want to get the author fired. Which seems to have been part of the authors point, it is a safe space for people if they are ideologically left wing bit not if you are from the other end of the political spectrum. I consider myself left wing but echo chambers help no one.

throwawaypol1 9y ago
How about people just stop talking about politics at work? If it isn't germane to your job and isn't pleasantries like talking about your weekend or your hobbies or moving or your kids or whatever, just leave it at home. It's just like dating coworkers: sure, it might not be expressly forbidden by office policy, but does that mean it's a good idea?
- Sir_Substance 9y ago
  >How about people just stop talking about politics at work? If someone else is talking toxic politics at work, and you don't contest them, you get their politics.
- celticninja 9y ago
  In general I agree, nothing good ever came from discussing religion or politics in a social setting. However there is a tie t the environment in this instance, it is about the quality of work and the remuneration for said work, that does impact on the people involved. If everyone gets paid the same for doing the same job but X produces measurably more work, then there is a disincentive for X to achieve highly if Z gets rewarded inline with the work done by X. In development this may not be as easily measured but, for example, in fruit picking I worked alongside my girlfriend and at the end of day 1 I was asked if I would come back of my girlfriend was not asked to come back. I produced, she didn't and because she could not do as much she actually held back everyone else (not just her, a few mainly females, were not offered another day's work. We were all getting paid a daily rate, so there was a disincentive when someone who could not do as much was getting paid the same. As I say that is in a situation where output can be easily measured and compared, I'm sure there are metrics in development that allow for similar comparisons but can't be certain.
tehwebguy 9y ago
Your false equivalency is showing
s73ver 9y ago
I think they're saying the author should be fired because they're openly creating a hostile workplace for other groups. And historically, women are underrepresented in tech, and are not in a position of power. Conservative men are. One of the reasons why stuff like this gets such a much more negative response is because it's seen as "punching down."

throwawaypol1 9y ago

How about people just stop talking about politics at work? If it isn't germane to your job and isn't pleasantries like talking about your weekend or your hobbies or moving or your kids or whatever, just leave it at home. It's just like dating coworkers: sure, it might not be expressly forbidden by office policy, but does that mean it's a good idea?

Sir_Substance 9y ago
>How about people just stop talking about politics at work? If someone else is talking toxic politics at work, and you don't contest them, you get their politics.
celticninja 9y ago
In general I agree, nothing good ever came from discussing religion or politics in a social setting. However there is a tie t the environment in this instance, it is about the quality of work and the remuneration for said work, that does impact on the people involved. If everyone gets paid the same for doing the same job but X produces measurably more work, then there is a disincentive for X to achieve highly if Z gets rewarded inline with the work done by X. In development this may not be as easily measured but, for example, in fruit picking I worked alongside my girlfriend and at the end of day 1 I was asked if I would come back of my girlfriend was not asked to come back. I produced, she didn't and because she could not do as much she actually held back everyone else (not just her, a few mainly females, were not offered another day's work. We were all getting paid a daily rate, so there was a disincentive when someone who could not do as much was getting paid the same. As I say that is in a situation where output can be easily measured and compared, I'm sure there are metrics in development that allow for similar comparisons but can't be certain.

tehwebguy 9y ago

Your false equivalency is showing

s73ver 9y ago

I think they're saying the author should be fired because they're openly creating a hostile workplace for other groups. And historically, women are underrepresented in tech, and are not in a position of power. Conservative men are. One of the reasons why stuff like this gets such a much more negative response is because it's seen as "punching down."