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I like how some of the commenters try to force HR to take an action by threatening to leave. That's hell of a way to promote diversity, and freedom to express y
by xendo 9y ago
I like how some of the commenters try to force HR to take an action by threatening to leave. That's hell of a way to promote diversity, and freedom to express yourself. Diversity is a double edge sword: you need to be able to accept other people opinions if you expect them to accept you. P.S. I obviously haven't read the document, and all the comments really reference only short statement without any context, so it's really hard to comment on it.
- majkinetor 9y agoIndeed. Honestly, I would let them leave. That atitude makes them IMO unfit for teamwork, if one such incident makes them abandon their jobs and blackmail entire department.
- laughinghan 9y agoYou and GP don't cite any commenter in particular, but none of the tweets mentioned in the article strike me as trying to force HR or blackmail anyone to do anything. They seem to me like they're saying they don't want to work somewhere their teammates think they're biologically inferior, but they're hoping that HR will ensure that people who think so don't stay on the team.
- stagbeetle 9y agoHere you go: https://twitter.com/rakyll/status/893287112732291072 https://twitter.com/rakyll/status/893287112732291072 It was quoted in the main story.
- laughinghan 9y agoThat is exactly the tweet I had in mind. Does it not seem reasonable to you for someone not to want to work on a team where their coworkers think they're less biologically suited to the work, and to hope that HR agrees that they shouldn't be expected to work with such coworkers?
- stagbeetle 9y agoYou're correct. However, the author of that tweet went around the wrong way with the manner of her expression. The tweets she put out today come off as combative and hammy. >It actually gives me motivation to leave Google for the first time in years; the only reason why I enjoy Google is our unified networking. >Fact: White men are not marginalized like me in tech. White man: You are racist, my grandpa was a great man. You are this relevant. >Dear white men who thinks they are marginalized, my single eye lash is more marginalized in tech than all of you. There are proper ways to voice one's concern, but violence against others is not one of them.
- pdkl95 9y ago> went around the wrong way with the manner of her expression So it's only ok for women to be frustrated by systemic stereotyping and marginalization, if-and-only-if she acts like a traditionally oppressed woman in public? Women should just stay in the closet instead of pointing out porblems in the workplace? > violence against others is not one of them. What "violence"? What kind of framing or mental gymnastics are you using to interpret any of those posts as "combative" or interpreted as "violence against others"?
- stagbeetle 9y ago>What "violence"? What kind of framing or mental gymnastics are you using to interpret any of those posts as "combative" or interpreted as "violence against others"? The same violence you are imposing upon on me with your words. Albeit these are in the realm of microagressions, it is violence nonetheless. A more modern violence. Throwing pejoratives at people is verbal violence: What kind of framing or mental gymnastics... As is responding with loaded questions, like: Women should just stay in the closet instead of pointing out problems in the workplace? This is intellectually dishonest and does more to insight altercation than have an informed and open discussion. Coincidentally, these are not too far off from the author's comments.