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Our experiences with clojure are clearly different. There have been plenty of people who have built successful businesses with perl too. /shrug I'm still goin

Our experiences with clojure are clearly different. There have been plenty of people who have built successful businesses with perl too. /shrug I'm still going to recommend people not use either language, because I've personally encountered the downsides of 'when things go wrong'; and it's been significantly worse than in other languages. > Are we doing opinion threads now? Okay. I can do one too! That's a bit of a flip off isn't it? What I have to say is based on my professional experience. Don't like it? Tough. Luck. You had a different experience? fair enough. You want to call it an opinion thread? Well, you know what they say. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...

KirinDave 9y ago
> I'm still going to recommend people not use either language, because I've personally encountered the downsides of 'when things go wrong'; and it's been significantly worse than in other languages. I... Didn't ask. I appreciate your post as a jumping off point for mine, but I honestly I think what you're going to do is not relevant to me. Thanks for the heads up though. > That's a bit of a flip off isn't it? I'm not sure what "flip off" means in your dialect. In mine... No? You have an opinion and I'm clearly stating the following is mine. I'm sorry if you found this combative. I took pains to face the content away from your points to focus on what I like rather than what you hate. I could contest your post if that's what you'd like me to do, but it seems like you're fairly defensive on this subject. So maybe that's inappropriate. > You want to call it an opinion thread? Well, you know what they say. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one... Oh yeah, I know this one. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but a person named shadowmint on Hacker News seems very keen to suggest theirs is ground truth with vaguely sourced points. I had never really understood how that classic anecdote had relevance in the modern world, but here we are. Wow.
- shadowmint 9y ago
  > I... Didn't ask. If you have an opinion that is unrelated to mine, don't reply to my thread then. You have an opinion? Great job. Good work. Calling my comments an 'opinion piece' is actively combative. If you dont want to do that, then how about you just post your opinion in its own thread? Its easy and saves us having this conversation, if you're not interested in a discussion. > but a person named shadowmint on Hacker News seems very keen to suggest theirs is ground truth with vaguely sourced points. Fuck off. Really. If you don't want to talk about it, then don't reply. I've in no way suggested your experience with clojure is anything less than you've said it has been, and all I've posted is my experience with it. You're being a jerk.
  - KirinDave 9y ago
    > Calling my comments an 'opinion piece' is actively combative You yourself admit they're opinions. I'm not sure why you find this to be a problem. > If you dont want to do that, then how about you just post your opinion in its own thread? I'm terribly sorry to inform you but conversations develop in threads here. That's normal. There are cases where that doesn't happen, but I'm pretty sure "these are our experiences about Clojure" is on topic enough. Besides, you went into other people's threads to say they were wrong about Clojure. It does feel like you're giving yourself a double standard here... > Fuck off. Really. I really don't understand why we can't keep a conversation about programming languages civil and light-hearted. Tool choices have impact and weight, but there is room for a lot of people in the world. Why is my presence so specifically intolerable? I'm not even the only person who has a different experience. Heck, I can point to 3 other nastily worded posts you didn't reply to. Please tell me what makes my post special? The charisma? The power? The... You know... Animal magnetism? Thinking on it though, if you really are made that uncomfortable by this conversation, please accept my apologies. Just because I'm confused doesn't obligate you to explain.
dang 9y ago
Ai yai yai, you took this thread way into the red. Could you please resist the temptation to do that in the future? The whole idea of HN is to have thoughtful discussion (not to tell one another to fuck off!) That means tolerating a certain amount of provocation when you feel provoked; it's almost always unintentional, and in the rare cases when it isn't, you owe the community better than to respond in kind. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14929745 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14929745 and marked it off-topic.

KirinDave 9y ago

> I'm still going to recommend people not use either language, because I've personally encountered the downsides of 'when things go wrong'; and it's been significantly worse than in other languages. I... Didn't ask. I appreciate your post as a jumping off point for mine, but I honestly I think what you're going to do is not relevant to me. Thanks for the heads up though. > That's a bit of a flip off isn't it? I'm not sure what "flip off" means in your dialect. In mine... No? You have an opinion and I'm clearly stating the following is mine. I'm sorry if you found this combative. I took pains to face the content away from your points to focus on what I like rather than what you hate. I could contest your post if that's what you'd like me to do, but it seems like you're fairly defensive on this subject. So maybe that's inappropriate. > You want to call it an opinion thread? Well, you know what they say. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one... Oh yeah, I know this one. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but a person named shadowmint on Hacker News seems very keen to suggest theirs is ground truth with vaguely sourced points. I had never really understood how that classic anecdote had relevance in the modern world, but here we are. Wow.

shadowmint 9y ago
> I... Didn't ask. If you have an opinion that is unrelated to mine, don't reply to my thread then. You have an opinion? Great job. Good work. Calling my comments an 'opinion piece' is actively combative. If you dont want to do that, then how about you just post your opinion in its own thread? Its easy and saves us having this conversation, if you're not interested in a discussion. > but a person named shadowmint on Hacker News seems very keen to suggest theirs is ground truth with vaguely sourced points. Fuck off. Really. If you don't want to talk about it, then don't reply. I've in no way suggested your experience with clojure is anything less than you've said it has been, and all I've posted is my experience with it. You're being a jerk.
- KirinDave 9y ago
  > Calling my comments an 'opinion piece' is actively combative You yourself admit they're opinions. I'm not sure why you find this to be a problem. > If you dont want to do that, then how about you just post your opinion in its own thread? I'm terribly sorry to inform you but conversations develop in threads here. That's normal. There are cases where that doesn't happen, but I'm pretty sure "these are our experiences about Clojure" is on topic enough. Besides, you went into other people's threads to say they were wrong about Clojure. It does feel like you're giving yourself a double standard here... > Fuck off. Really. I really don't understand why we can't keep a conversation about programming languages civil and light-hearted. Tool choices have impact and weight, but there is room for a lot of people in the world. Why is my presence so specifically intolerable? I'm not even the only person who has a different experience. Heck, I can point to 3 other nastily worded posts you didn't reply to. Please tell me what makes my post special? The charisma? The power? The... You know... Animal magnetism? Thinking on it though, if you really are made that uncomfortable by this conversation, please accept my apologies. Just because I'm confused doesn't obligate you to explain.

dang 9y ago

Ai yai yai, you took this thread way into the red. Could you please resist the temptation to do that in the future? The whole idea of HN is to have thoughtful discussion (not to tell one another to fuck off!) That means tolerating a certain amount of provocation when you feel provoked; it's almost always unintentional, and in the rare cases when it isn't, you owe the community better than to respond in kind. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14929745 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14929745 and marked it off-topic.