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This is important: geeks know the score and use LibreOffice for this sort of thing - but ordinary people don't. "OpenOffice" still has stupendous brand awarenes

This is important: geeks know the score and use LibreOffice for this sort of thing - but ordinary people don't. "OpenOffice" still has stupendous brand awareness. You will have friends and family using this thing! Warn them, get them onto LO! Oh, and well done to the Apache Software Foundation for falsifying the meeting minutes when a journalist came calling to ask what was up. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/apache_openoffice_not_dead_yet/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/apache_openoffice_n... Note that's not the "independent" project, but the board of the nonprofit itself doing that. BTW, AOO will probably finally get 4.1.4 out this month - they've got a release candidate for Mac and Linux, just need someone to successfully build revision 1803945 for Windows. http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg31399.html http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg313... http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg31400.html http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg314...

scardine 9y ago
From the article: > As of 2017-Apr-12 we have more than 214,000,000 million [sic] downloads and it is still at a consistent rate with ~100,000 downloads in average per day". That is 100,000 people every day who are downloading the output of a project that clearly lacks the development capacity to get important bug fixes out to users, much less understand and improve the entirety of such a massive body of code. 100k downloads/day is a lot.
- dublinben 9y ago
  They're doing a disservice to their users by not redirecting them to the more actively maintained LibreOffice.
  - xvilka 9y ago
    Actually even more - they harm the image of the open source itself, providing an off product instead of pushing the progress and redirecting to LibreOffice...
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hdhzy 9y ago
> You will have friends and family using this thing! Warn them, get them onto LO! I just installed LO 5.4 on HiDPI Windows. The LO home page (localized) advertised that "LibreOffice 4 (sic!) just arrived". Unfortunately it went downhill from there: the HiDPI support is kind of not really present. Icons have negative margins (are halfway visible) and what's even worse the hit targets are not where the icon lies! So you select item N from a list and item N-1 gets selected. I get it that OO is now evil due to Oracle but LO is just not usable. I know, I know free software but advertising LO to my family and friends would be the quickest way of getting them to not to ask me any IT related advice. Which may be a good side effect in itself. Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly.
- chris_wot 9y ago
  Can you log a bug? And can you provide a link to that localised page? I'll alert the team.
- buovjaga 9y ago
  Here is our collection of HiDPI bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=90796&hide_resolved=1 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?i...
- jancsika 9y ago
  > Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly. Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not? When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes? I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some.
  - hdhzy 9y ago
    > Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not? It's probably upscaled but it works correctly. > When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes? Yes. > I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some. Please check HiDPI bug list for screenshots. After a little bit of tweaking it turns out that disabling "Full OpenGL rendering" in settings fix these issues. Now LibreOffice looks and works just like AOO.
dEnigma 9y ago
It's frustrating. Most people seem to know about OpenOffice as a free alternative to Microsoft's Office Suite, but hardly anyone has heard about LibreOffice. Which leads to people trying out OpenOffice and concluding that Open Source Software isn't up to the task.

scardine 9y ago

From the article: > As of 2017-Apr-12 we have more than 214,000,000 million [sic] downloads and it is still at a consistent rate with ~100,000 downloads in average per day". That is 100,000 people every day who are downloading the output of a project that clearly lacks the development capacity to get important bug fixes out to users, much less understand and improve the entirety of such a massive body of code. 100k downloads/day is a lot.

dublinben 9y ago
They're doing a disservice to their users by not redirecting them to the more actively maintained LibreOffice.
- xvilka 9y ago
  Actually even more - they harm the image of the open source itself, providing an off product instead of pushing the progress and redirecting to LibreOffice...

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hdhzy 9y ago

> You will have friends and family using this thing! Warn them, get them onto LO! I just installed LO 5.4 on HiDPI Windows. The LO home page (localized) advertised that "LibreOffice 4 (sic!) just arrived". Unfortunately it went downhill from there: the HiDPI support is kind of not really present. Icons have negative margins (are halfway visible) and what's even worse the hit targets are not where the icon lies! So you select item N from a list and item N-1 gets selected. I get it that OO is now evil due to Oracle but LO is just not usable. I know, I know free software but advertising LO to my family and friends would be the quickest way of getting them to not to ask me any IT related advice. Which may be a good side effect in itself. Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly.

chris_wot 9y ago
Can you log a bug? And can you provide a link to that localised page? I'll alert the team.
buovjaga 9y ago
Here is our collection of HiDPI bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=90796&hide_resolved=1 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?i...
jancsika 9y ago
> Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly. Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not? When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes? I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some.
- hdhzy 9y ago
  > Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not? It's probably upscaled but it works correctly. > When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes? Yes. > I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some. Please check HiDPI bug list for screenshots. After a little bit of tweaking it turns out that disabling "Full OpenGL rendering" in settings fix these issues. Now LibreOffice looks and works just like AOO.

dEnigma 9y ago

It's frustrating. Most people seem to know about OpenOffice as a free alternative to Microsoft's Office Suite, but hardly anyone has heard about LibreOffice. Which leads to people trying out OpenOffice and concluding that Open Source Software isn't up to the task.