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Forum access is included in my WoW subscription. I've been told by a GM to go post in the forums once. Official tech support forums are...on the forums. Yeah, n

Forum access is included in my WoW subscription. I've been told by a GM to go post in the forums once. Official tech support forums are...on the forums. Yeah, not part of the game. Right.

jasonlotito 16y ago
No, it's not. You need a WoW subscription to have access to the WoW forums, but you don't need to have access to the WoW forums to have access to WoW the game. > Official tech support forums are...on the forums. Currently, yes. Which has no bearing on the future setup. > Yeah, not part of the game. Right. I was unaware that after landing in a city, you logged onto the forums in game.
- silencio 16y ago
  Oh, no, they're not part of your in-game experience. They're part of your overall package you get for subscribing...but that's still part of the game. You don't HAVE to use it, but then again, you don't have to advertise your ICC craftables or do any guild recruitment on forums or talk in general realm discussion or submit bug reports either. Right? (But yes, I have hope that they'll at least make this separate from the forums in the future if they insist on this stupidity.) It's optional in the sense that you can probably go forever without ever posting once, but it's pretty unlikely for all kinds of reasons.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    > They're part of your overall package you get for subscribing...but that's still part of the game. I just reference the ToU[1] and EULA[2]. The EULA doesn't reference the forums at all. The ToS mentions forums, but only under chat rules. In the ToU, it references the Service and the Game Client: "The Game includes two components: (a) the software program along with any accompanying materials or documentation (collectively, the "Game Client"), and (b) Blizzard’s proprietary World of Warcraft online service (the "Service")." Reading between the two documents, in case the Service includes the forums, it appears it does not. "you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with an authorized, unmodified Game Client." So, the Service may only be access with the Game Client, which I assume the forums are not. So, it appears, officially at least, that the forums are not a part of the subscription fee. Simply put, they are under no obligation to keep the forums up or provide you with forums to use. Now, having said all that, I understand that part of why YOU pay is for access to the forums in addition to the game. I think a smart thing to do would be to move essential support functions outside the forums, which it appears they are working hard to do with the Blizzard Support section. In fact, Technical Support might have forums, but their is also an official Technical Support channel here: http://us.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_US&gameId=11&rootCategoryId=2316 http://us.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_US&ga... It wasn't at all difficult to find. 1. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 2. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html

Forum access is included in my WoW subscription. I've been told by a GM to go post in the forums once. Official tech support forums are...on the forums. Yeah, not part of the game. Right.

jasonlotito 16y ago

No, it's not. You need a WoW subscription to have access to the WoW forums, but you don't need to have access to the WoW forums to have access to WoW the game. > Official tech support forums are...on the forums. Currently, yes. Which has no bearing on the future setup. > Yeah, not part of the game. Right. I was unaware that after landing in a city, you logged onto the forums in game.

silencio 16y ago
Oh, no, they're not part of your in-game experience. They're part of your overall package you get for subscribing...but that's still part of the game. You don't HAVE to use it, but then again, you don't have to advertise your ICC craftables or do any guild recruitment on forums or talk in general realm discussion or submit bug reports either. Right? (But yes, I have hope that they'll at least make this separate from the forums in the future if they insist on this stupidity.) It's optional in the sense that you can probably go forever without ever posting once, but it's pretty unlikely for all kinds of reasons.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  > They're part of your overall package you get for subscribing...but that's still part of the game. I just reference the ToU[1] and EULA[2]. The EULA doesn't reference the forums at all. The ToS mentions forums, but only under chat rules. In the ToU, it references the Service and the Game Client: "The Game includes two components: (a) the software program along with any accompanying materials or documentation (collectively, the "Game Client"), and (b) Blizzard’s proprietary World of Warcraft online service (the "Service")." Reading between the two documents, in case the Service includes the forums, it appears it does not. "you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with an authorized, unmodified Game Client." So, the Service may only be access with the Game Client, which I assume the forums are not. So, it appears, officially at least, that the forums are not a part of the subscription fee. Simply put, they are under no obligation to keep the forums up or provide you with forums to use. Now, having said all that, I understand that part of why YOU pay is for access to the forums in addition to the game. I think a smart thing to do would be to move essential support functions outside the forums, which it appears they are working hard to do with the Blizzard Support section. In fact, Technical Support might have forums, but their is also an official Technical Support channel here: http://us.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_US&gameId=11&rootCategoryId=2316 http://us.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_US&ga... It wasn't at all difficult to find. 1. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 2. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html