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"It's the way we've always done it" is all I hear.

by staticassertion 9y ago

1_2__4 9y ago
This is just a rude and dismissive comment for no reason other than smug snarkiness.
- staticassertion 9y ago
  I'm not trying to be rude or smug. I'm trying to extract the meaning from their statement that I feel is conveyed. When you strip down what they're saying, to me, it's just "new is worse".
urda 9y ago
That is exactly what it is. I wonder if OP is busy defending Serial, Parallel, and even the PS/2 port to this day as well?
- tomc1985 9y ago
  Of those three, the only port with any kind of ubiquity is serial, and yes I would defend it even though I hate it with a vengeance, because it will let me talk to old and esoteric gear. Just like headphone ports. This new shit doesn't do that.
  - urda 9y ago
    A well defined, and common standard that is bluetooth doesn't let you interact with hardware? I'm sorry this is ridiculous. To imply that a common wireless standard prevents you from connecting hardware basically ends the conversation here, as your point of view is refusing to see both sides.
    - tomc1985 9y ago
      How much esoteric hardware will bluetooth let me talk to? Can I talk my best friend's telescope? What about my coworkers oscilloscope? What about the kiln in our chem lab, or the cash register at the deli I bought lunch at? Old CANBUS ports? What does bluetooth talk to? Headphones, fitness trackers, car stereos... and aside from a few random appliances, not much else. Yeah maybe in twenty years when everything and their mother was made with bluetooth support, but that is a LONG ways away
    - tomc1985 9y ago
      Oh and which well defined common bluetooth standard? V2? V3? V4? There's a weird mesh of which devices can talk to which receivers. Just the other day I bought a new V4 USB receiver that refused to talk to an old wireless headset, and problems like these are emdemic. You know what format didn't have these problems? 1/8" headphone jacks. Because it is simple, and analog, and DOESN'T CHANGE.
- flukus 9y ago
  > and even the PS/2 port to this day as well I'm still waiting on a explanation of why upgrading mouses and keyboards to USB was worthwhile? In fact, it was a downgrade on windows 95/98 which demanded they be plugged into the same port after a restart.
  - makomk 9y ago
    PS/2 was pretty terrible. It required a special port which couldn't be used for anything else, taking up extra space and making plugging your device in less convenient. It didn't officially support hotplug. The standard PS/2 mouse protocol only supported 3 buttons and two axes - there was a nasty hack on top of that to add a scroll wheel and another two buttons, anything beyond that is completely proprietary. It's so convenient by comparison to be able to plug a keyboard or mouse into whichever USB port is easiest and have it just work without special drivers.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      PS/2 supports n-key rollover for keyboards; something you need custom and proprietary drivers to do with USB. They also don't have to deal with shared bus interrupts, which can cause imprecise keyboard and mouse movements. I use USB too, but PS/2 has its pluses.
    - flukus 9y ago
      Thanks, the scroll wheel is a good reason, but I don't find the others compelling. > It required a special port which couldn't be used for anything else, taking up extra space and making plugging your device in less convenient. I don't find that a negative, the mouse is always connected and I've never once thought "I wish I could unplug the mouse so I can plug in the printer and charge my phone". > It's so convenient by comparison to be able to plug a keyboard or mouse into whichever USB port is easiest and have it just work without special drivers. For most people with a standard mouse and keyboard this was never an issue (except for the scroll wheel one you mentioned). For non-standard ones, it still has to install a driver doesn't it? I thought windows just installed it transparently.
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tomc1985 9y ago
Change for change's sake much? All I ask is that the solution presented than headphone ports is better. Bluetooth is so far away from being "better" that literally the only thing it has going for it is wireless. You'll never see more than tepid support (if any) from the Sennheisers or Grados or whatever because you can't drive high-quality cans without a proper amp, of which batteries can't provide the power to. The audio scene will continue its ghettofication into more shitty 'trendsetters' pimping colorful, low-quality, compressed, lossy plastic trash. People really want a future full of thes proprietary incompatible walled gardens? This is why standardization became a thing in the first place! Which means the pendulum will eventually swing back into motion -- hopefully wiping the board clean of all these "technologists" and "entrepreneurs"

"It's the way we've always done it" is all I hear.

1_2__4 9y ago

This is just a rude and dismissive comment for no reason other than smug snarkiness.

staticassertion 9y ago
I'm not trying to be rude or smug. I'm trying to extract the meaning from their statement that I feel is conveyed. When you strip down what they're saying, to me, it's just "new is worse".

urda 9y ago

That is exactly what it is. I wonder if OP is busy defending Serial, Parallel, and even the PS/2 port to this day as well?

tomc1985 9y ago
Of those three, the only port with any kind of ubiquity is serial, and yes I would defend it even though I hate it with a vengeance, because it will let me talk to old and esoteric gear. Just like headphone ports. This new shit doesn't do that.
- urda 9y ago
  A well defined, and common standard that is bluetooth doesn't let you interact with hardware? I'm sorry this is ridiculous. To imply that a common wireless standard prevents you from connecting hardware basically ends the conversation here, as your point of view is refusing to see both sides.
  - tomc1985 9y ago
    How much esoteric hardware will bluetooth let me talk to? Can I talk my best friend's telescope? What about my coworkers oscilloscope? What about the kiln in our chem lab, or the cash register at the deli I bought lunch at? Old CANBUS ports? What does bluetooth talk to? Headphones, fitness trackers, car stereos... and aside from a few random appliances, not much else. Yeah maybe in twenty years when everything and their mother was made with bluetooth support, but that is a LONG ways away
  - tomc1985 9y ago
    Oh and which well defined common bluetooth standard? V2? V3? V4? There's a weird mesh of which devices can talk to which receivers. Just the other day I bought a new V4 USB receiver that refused to talk to an old wireless headset, and problems like these are emdemic. You know what format didn't have these problems? 1/8" headphone jacks. Because it is simple, and analog, and DOESN'T CHANGE.
flukus 9y ago
> and even the PS/2 port to this day as well I'm still waiting on a explanation of why upgrading mouses and keyboards to USB was worthwhile? In fact, it was a downgrade on windows 95/98 which demanded they be plugged into the same port after a restart.
- makomk 9y ago
  PS/2 was pretty terrible. It required a special port which couldn't be used for anything else, taking up extra space and making plugging your device in less convenient. It didn't officially support hotplug. The standard PS/2 mouse protocol only supported 3 buttons and two axes - there was a nasty hack on top of that to add a scroll wheel and another two buttons, anything beyond that is completely proprietary. It's so convenient by comparison to be able to plug a keyboard or mouse into whichever USB port is easiest and have it just work without special drivers.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    PS/2 supports n-key rollover for keyboards; something you need custom and proprietary drivers to do with USB. They also don't have to deal with shared bus interrupts, which can cause imprecise keyboard and mouse movements. I use USB too, but PS/2 has its pluses.
  - flukus 9y ago
    Thanks, the scroll wheel is a good reason, but I don't find the others compelling. > It required a special port which couldn't be used for anything else, taking up extra space and making plugging your device in less convenient. I don't find that a negative, the mouse is always connected and I've never once thought "I wish I could unplug the mouse so I can plug in the printer and charge my phone". > It's so convenient by comparison to be able to plug a keyboard or mouse into whichever USB port is easiest and have it just work without special drivers. For most people with a standard mouse and keyboard this was never an issue (except for the scroll wheel one you mentioned). For non-standard ones, it still has to install a driver doesn't it? I thought windows just installed it transparently.

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tomc1985 9y ago

Change for change's sake much? All I ask is that the solution presented than headphone ports is better. Bluetooth is so far away from being "better" that literally the only thing it has going for it is wireless. You'll never see more than tepid support (if any) from the Sennheisers or Grados or whatever because you can't drive high-quality cans without a proper amp, of which batteries can't provide the power to. The audio scene will continue its ghettofication into more shitty 'trendsetters' pimping colorful, low-quality, compressed, lossy plastic trash. People really want a future full of thes proprietary incompatible walled gardens? This is why standardization became a thing in the first place! Which means the pendulum will eventually swing back into motion -- hopefully wiping the board clean of all these "technologists" and "entrepreneurs"