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So you can't inhibit human trafficking? Was she charged with anything?

learc83 9y ago
Please read this summary of the conversation and tell me how your comment follows. paulgb: Lauren Southern was attempting to block ships. bluthru: No, she was just reporting on an attempt to block ships. learc83: No, she participated. Here's a quote from her saying she participated. bluthru: You can't inhibit human trafficking?
- bluthru 9y ago
  I apologize, I wasn't aware of that quote by her until you posted it, as I only watched her explanation. She definitely steps out of the lines of "reporter" when she said that. However, my question still stands: what law or policy did Lauren break?
  - learc83 9y ago
    Using her boat to physically block a ship from leaving the harbor and firing flares in that direction. That is definitely illegal. The ship had no cargo at the time, but even if it was carrying tons of heroin and literal slaves, trying to block a large ship at night with a small boat is dangerous vigelantee behavior at best. And it's most definitely illegal. Call the coast guard if you think something illegal is going on. The minute you start forcing ships to maneuver around you at night, your risking the lives on that ship and any ships they might hit trying to avoid you. The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. No one except these far right groups think that NGOs are working with smugglers to get people into Europe. And the far right groups don't care about it either as evidenced by what they were chanting and what they say on their website. They've just latched onto something they think they can use to justify their anti illegal immigrant stance. There's no evidence of it. It's like an Italian renting a car and pulling out in front of trucks headed into the US because she says she thinks they might underage prostitutes in them. It's not your job to enforce a foreign country's immigration policies, and it's definitely illegal to try to do it by endangering yourself and the crew of another ship. The even more rediculous part is that the group she was working with has actually been accused of human trafficking after several of the crew of their ship requested asylum and said they paid to access the boat.
    - bluthru 9y ago
      >And it's most definitely illegal. Under what jurisdiction? >The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. In this case it's one in the same. The vast majority of these people aren't refugees: http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/production/_94878777_migrant-routes-624.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/producti... The vast majority are adult males: https://i.imgtc.com/9epy1e1.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/9epy1e1.jpg Gee, I wonder how a large ship like that is funded? >No one except these far right groups think that NGOs are working with smugglers to get people into Europe. Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/soros-linked-undesirable-ngos-fund-isis-linked-refugee-boats-eu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/soros-linked-undesi...
      - learc83 9y ago
        >Under what jurisdiction? You're seriously arguing about the legality of using your boat to attempt to block a ship from leaving a harbor? I'm going to leave it to you to find the law the coast guard believed the violated when they arrested them. I don't speak Italian, so you have at it. >Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: And he's a far right politician who has zero evidence. After he made that statement, the Italian Justice Minister asked him to open an investigation if he had any evidence, but he refused and stated it was merely a hypothesis and he had no actual evidence. There's nothing but looney toons conspiracy theories to support this stuff about George Soros working with ISIS to smuggle in terrorists, it's complete nonsense. I get it, you want to keep Europe white. Defend Europe wants to keep Europe white. Far right news sites and bloggers wants to keep Europe white. You can say that without resorting to conspiracy theories, and trying to co-opt the international outrage against sex trafficking. I get why you do it, out right saying that you want a white civilization isn't palatable to most people. But wrapping it up in language about "Western Civilization" and stopping human trafficking is so transparent that it's not worth the effort. And if you do want to keep migrants out of Italy for whatever reason, the correct way to do it isn't by pulling your boat in front of a ship at night and firing flares at it.

Please read this summary of the conversation and tell me how your comment follows. paulgb: Lauren Southern was attempting to block ships. bluthru: No, she was just reporting on an attempt to block ships. learc83: No, she participated. Here's a quote from her saying she participated. bluthru: You can't inhibit human trafficking?

bluthru 9y ago
I apologize, I wasn't aware of that quote by her until you posted it, as I only watched her explanation. She definitely steps out of the lines of "reporter" when she said that. However, my question still stands: what law or policy did Lauren break?
- learc83 9y ago
  Using her boat to physically block a ship from leaving the harbor and firing flares in that direction. That is definitely illegal. The ship had no cargo at the time, but even if it was carrying tons of heroin and literal slaves, trying to block a large ship at night with a small boat is dangerous vigelantee behavior at best. And it's most definitely illegal. Call the coast guard if you think something illegal is going on. The minute you start forcing ships to maneuver around you at night, your risking the lives on that ship and any ships they might hit trying to avoid you. The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. No one except these far right groups think that NGOs are working with smugglers to get people into Europe. And the far right groups don't care about it either as evidenced by what they were chanting and what they say on their website. They've just latched onto something they think they can use to justify their anti illegal immigrant stance. There's no evidence of it. It's like an Italian renting a car and pulling out in front of trucks headed into the US because she says she thinks they might underage prostitutes in them. It's not your job to enforce a foreign country's immigration policies, and it's definitely illegal to try to do it by endangering yourself and the crew of another ship. The even more rediculous part is that the group she was working with has actually been accused of human trafficking after several of the crew of their ship requested asylum and said they paid to access the boat.
  - bluthru 9y ago
    >And it's most definitely illegal. Under what jurisdiction? >The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. In this case it's one in the same. The vast majority of these people aren't refugees: http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/production/_94878777_migrant-routes-624.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/producti... The vast majority are adult males: https://i.imgtc.com/9epy1e1.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/9epy1e1.jpg Gee, I wonder how a large ship like that is funded? >No one except these far right groups think that NGOs are working with smugglers to get people into Europe. Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/soros-linked-undesirable-ngos-fund-isis-linked-refugee-boats-eu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/soros-linked-undesi...
    - learc83 9y ago
      >Under what jurisdiction? You're seriously arguing about the legality of using your boat to attempt to block a ship from leaving a harbor? I'm going to leave it to you to find the law the coast guard believed the violated when they arrested them. I don't speak Italian, so you have at it. >Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: And he's a far right politician who has zero evidence. After he made that statement, the Italian Justice Minister asked him to open an investigation if he had any evidence, but he refused and stated it was merely a hypothesis and he had no actual evidence. There's nothing but looney toons conspiracy theories to support this stuff about George Soros working with ISIS to smuggle in terrorists, it's complete nonsense. I get it, you want to keep Europe white. Defend Europe wants to keep Europe white. Far right news sites and bloggers wants to keep Europe white. You can say that without resorting to conspiracy theories, and trying to co-opt the international outrage against sex trafficking. I get why you do it, out right saying that you want a white civilization isn't palatable to most people. But wrapping it up in language about "Western Civilization" and stopping human trafficking is so transparent that it's not worth the effort. And if you do want to keep migrants out of Italy for whatever reason, the correct way to do it isn't by pulling your boat in front of a ship at night and firing flares at it.