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Using US elections as an example is generally flawed because they are usually very poorly run. Proper election procedure doesn't have that failure mode. You run

Using US elections as an example is generally flawed because they are usually very poorly run. Proper election procedure doesn't have that failure mode. You run a lot of small precints each with representatives of all parties. The ballot box doesn't leave their sight during the whole day. When the polls close the same people will open the box and count the votes together and since they are adversaries they won't allow any one of them to steal. This is a highly scalable method that's very cheap to run and that also has the extremely important property that whoever lost is also fully convinced he lost.

peterwwillis 9y ago
Using that procedure, two of the largest states in the US have failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate, several times over the past four years. Saying we should ignore US elections as an example is totally ridiculous.
- pedrocr 9y ago
  >"You run a lot of small precints" The US fails to do this and then has a problem counting fast enough. We should ignore the fact that the US is incapable of running proper elections since we have plenty of examples across the world of well run elections. >failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate This is another example of not running a proper election. If you haven't counted the vote the election is not over. There is no such thing as "not calling in time". In time for what? The news cycle?
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Using that procedure, two of the largest states in the US have failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate, several times over the past four years I'm not even sure what “failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate”; are election results perishable such that of a count takes too long it no longer counts? Specific examples of the phenomenon you are discussing would perhaps be useful.

peterwwillis 9y ago

Using that procedure, two of the largest states in the US have failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate, several times over the past four years. Saying we should ignore US elections as an example is totally ridiculous.

pedrocr 9y ago
>"You run a lot of small precints" The US fails to do this and then has a problem counting fast enough. We should ignore the fact that the US is incapable of running proper elections since we have plenty of examples across the world of well run elections. >failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate This is another example of not running a proper election. If you haven't counted the vote the election is not over. There is no such thing as "not calling in time". In time for what? The news cycle?
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Using that procedure, two of the largest states in the US have failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate, several times over the past four years I'm not even sure what “failed to complete counting their votes in time for an election to be called for a particular candidate”; are election results perishable such that of a count takes too long it no longer counts? Specific examples of the phenomenon you are discussing would perhaps be useful.