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Why are people in this thread so outraged without knowing any of the facts? For all we know there might be a legitimate charge on which he was arrested. As per

• awesomepantsm 9y ago
  >If no one knows where he is, it's more likely that it's what Marcus wants at the moment rather than what the FBI wants. Oh come on...
  • abhi3 9y ago
    He could call his attorney have him release a statement right? Are you saying he is being denied access to a lawyer? Because that's a very serious charge and it would very silly of the FBI. IDK if I were arrested I would pray that the police abuse their power and deny me access to an attorney.
    • webkike 9y ago
      Would you? Would you like them to detain you unjustly for your entire life for example? Personally, I'd prefer the state to act within the bounds of Justice.
    • deleted 9y ago
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    • rbritton 9y ago
      He is not a US citizen -- do those rights extend to him? (no snark, I don't know)
    • QUFB 9y ago
      > He could call his attorney have him release a statement right? How many people traveling to the US from the UK, just to attend a conference, have an attorney they can call in the US?
      • 21 9y ago
        What about your free public defender? Can't you tell him to make a statement or to contact someone?
        • dragonwriter 9y ago
          You have to be assigned a free public defender by court, requiring a hearing, before you have one to call. That makes it impractical to use one when you are detained without being brought before a magistrate, even if you have the opportunity to make a phone call.
        • bdcravens 9y ago
          They don't just give them out when you get arrested. Often you have to file paperwork, prove you're indigent, and prove you made an effort to hire an attorney. Moreover, most public defenders are overworked. They will do their job (hopefully), but they are not your secretary. (I'm sure most will make those phone calls, out of being a decent human being, not because it's their job)
    • anon1385 9y ago
      When the US government kidnaps non US-citizens they don't give you the chance to call your lawyer. You get stripped, beaten, sodomised and sedated. If you're lucky you get released after a few months of torture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri >Khalid El-Masri (born June 29, 1963) is a German and Lebanese citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian police in 2003, and handed over to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). While in CIA custody, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held at a black site and routinely interrogated, beaten, strip-searched, sodomized, and subjected to other cruel forms of inhumane and degrading treatment and torture. After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit," the CIA finally admitted his arrest and torture were a mistake and released him
      • solotronics 9y ago
        "interrogated, beaten, strip-searched, sodomized, and subjected to other cruel forms of inhumane and degrading treatment and torture"... so exactly like hanging out with my ex.
• strictnein 9y ago
  There's also the possibility that he was the target of some blackhat shenanigans: https://twitter.com/hostshell/status/893155033084252161 https://twitter.com/hostshell/status/893155033084252161
  • traduz 9y ago
    Is it fraud if you declare a wrong birthday on your bank account? Don't they get that information from your documents, instead of relying on you to answer it?
• coldtea 9y ago
  >Why are people in this thread so outraged without knowing any of the facts Because they've seen the same movie time and again...
• mindcrime 9y ago
  Why are people in this thread so outraged without knowing any of the facts? For all we know there might be a legitimate charge on which he was arrested. Because US law enforcement have consciously chosen, over the past couple of decades, to engage in activities that make them "the bad guy". It's just abductive inference and a simple bayesian prior at this point. Nobody is reaching any absolute conclusions yet, but a highly plausible explanation, until such time as other facts become available, is over-reach / malicious behavior by the FBI and their cronies.
  • enoch_r 9y ago
    US law enforcement would be horrifically, jaw-droppingly corrupt if 20% of arrests were "malicious." But even then, 80% of arrests would be non-malicious, so a very strong prior that a given arrest is malicious would be completely unreasonable. "US law enforcement is the bad guy, therefore any given choice they make is probably evil" is fiction-logic. It works in movies, not in real life.
    • mindcrime 9y ago
      80% of arrests would be non-malicious, so a very strong prior that a given arrest is malicious would be completely unreasonable. Sure, but we're not talking about a randomly selected item here. Looking at US arrests w/r/t "cybercrime" and given the history of overly broad interpretations of the CFAA and what-not, I think it's a lot less clear than you are suggesting. "US law enforcement is the bad guy, therefore any given choice they make is probably evil" is fiction-logic. It works in movies, not in real life. We're not talking about "logic" (as in "deductive logic") here... w're talking about the kind of fuzzy reasoning, based on abduction and bayesian inference, that human beings use in the face of limited information... and with an understanding that you revise your position as new information is acquired.
• outworlder 9y ago
  > As per him being untraceable, if he was not read his rights Rights? Which rights?