3 ms·

But it’s even more of a shame if people won’t even be able to try these languages because we lose them from Fedora entirely. That's really overstating the prob

But it’s even more of a shame if people won’t even be able to try these languages because we lose them from Fedora entirely. That's really overstating the problem. I've worked with several of these languages, one of them for quite a large project - and I've never relied on anything but the language's official site to get the necessary tools. A lack of maintenance from Fedora isn't going to kill anything.

oconnore 16y ago
True, but the number of developers who expect batteries to be included is not small. And those are the people who "* for dummies" markets to. And when your manager goes to Barnes and Noble and sees an entire wall of "* in 3 days", guess what language he is going to pick for his next project?
- eru 16y ago
  Java? More serious: Batteries included make it easier to get up to speed. It's also easier to use synaptic as an "AppStore" instead of hunting for everything out in the web. Though for languages that I am more familiar with, e.g. Haskell, I am more open to hunt myself (or install custom package managers like Haskell's cabal).
- chc 16y ago
  Which language is my "X For Dummies"-toting boss going to pick? Probably not the one with the best Fedora package.
- chc 16y ago
  Which language is my "X For Dummies"-toting boss going to pick? Probably not the one with the best Fedora package.
DrJokepu 16y ago
Consider this: many compilers are written in the language they compile, hence they require some sort of bootstrapping. The popular Common Lisp implementation SBCL for example is written in Common Lisp. Bootstrapping compilers is bit of a hassle and not a very newbie-friendly process. I'm quite sure that the lack of prepackaged versions of these languages in Fedora would seriously affect the usage of these languages in Fedora.
rwmj 16y ago
yum install [somelanguage] is always going to be far simpler than downloading the source and trying to bootstrap it.

oconnore 16y ago

True, but the number of developers who expect batteries to be included is not small. And those are the people who "* for dummies" markets to. And when your manager goes to Barnes and Noble and sees an entire wall of "* in 3 days", guess what language he is going to pick for his next project?

eru 16y ago
Java? More serious: Batteries included make it easier to get up to speed. It's also easier to use synaptic as an "AppStore" instead of hunting for everything out in the web. Though for languages that I am more familiar with, e.g. Haskell, I am more open to hunt myself (or install custom package managers like Haskell's cabal).
chc 16y ago
Which language is my "X For Dummies"-toting boss going to pick? Probably not the one with the best Fedora package.
chc 16y ago
Which language is my "X For Dummies"-toting boss going to pick? Probably not the one with the best Fedora package.

DrJokepu 16y ago

Consider this: many compilers are written in the language they compile, hence they require some sort of bootstrapping. The popular Common Lisp implementation SBCL for example is written in Common Lisp. Bootstrapping compilers is bit of a hassle and not a very newbie-friendly process. I'm quite sure that the lack of prepackaged versions of these languages in Fedora would seriously affect the usage of these languages in Fedora.

rwmj 16y ago

yum install [somelanguage] is always going to be far simpler than downloading the source and trying to bootstrap it.