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> And then 2-3 years later there was one laptop manufacturer: Apple Your view of Apple laptops seems to represent only a small segment of the market. While App

by smeyer 9y ago

> And then 2-3 years later there was one laptop manufacturer: Apple Your view of Apple laptops seems to represent only a small segment of the market. While Apple was on the rise, they were still only 3rd behind Dell and HP in market share by 2007 [0] and are roughly 5th over the last few years [1]. They presumably look better on a revenue rather than units basis, but they were never the sort of singular force you described them as. They might have held that position among a certain segment of laptop buyers, but not the general market. [0] http://www.macworld.com/article/1059616/appleshare.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1059616/appleshare.html [1] https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-2015-notebook-market-share/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-2015-notebook-...

rsync 9y ago
"Your view of Apple laptops seems to represent only a small segment of the market. While Apple was on the rise, they were still only 3rd behind Dell and HP in market share by 2007 [0] and are roughly 5th over the last few years [1]. They presumably look better on a revenue rather than units basis, but they were never the sort of singular force you described them as." Yes, that's correct - which is exactly how we are looking at Tesla. I have no idea what laptops low end, price constrained buyers bought (and continue to buy). This is a good analogy to Tesla cars which are also priced out of that category. I am in the market for a very high end, full sized luxury car and I am troubled that by some measures there is only one supplier of those, currently. This is coming from someone who owned two successive A8s over an 8 year period and has lost all interest in that, and any other market entrant, based on an ICE. My current interest level in new press releases for A8/7/S feels exactly like how I suddenly felt in 2004 or so when news of new laptop models suddenly failed to register even a blip.
- semi-extrinsic 9y ago
  > My current interest level in new press releases for A8/7/S feels exactly like how I suddenly felt in 2004 or so when news of new laptop models suddenly failed to register even a blip. If you think a Model S is way better overall than the high-end German fullsize cars, you were never actually in the target population for those cars in the first place. The things e.g. an S-class is renowned for - the attention to detail and quality of the interior, the ride quality, the ridiculous level of soundproofing, the rear legroom, the discrete rumble of the V8 - are on a level far beyond what Tesla delivers. Model S interior quality is on par with a VW Golf. And yes, I've ridden in both. But of course the Model S has features that appeal very much to the tech crowd, like a big touchscreen and OTA updates and a CEO that can be worshipped. It sounds a bit like someone who really enjoys off-roading complaining about how crappy the Model X SUV is because of the poor ground clearance and shitty tires.

by smeyer 9y ago

rsync 9y ago

"Your view of Apple laptops seems to represent only a small segment of the market. While Apple was on the rise, they were still only 3rd behind Dell and HP in market share by 2007 [0] and are roughly 5th over the last few years [1]. They presumably look better on a revenue rather than units basis, but they were never the sort of singular force you described them as." Yes, that's correct - which is exactly how we are looking at Tesla. I have no idea what laptops low end, price constrained buyers bought (and continue to buy). This is a good analogy to Tesla cars which are also priced out of that category. I am in the market for a very high end, full sized luxury car and I am troubled that by some measures there is only one supplier of those, currently. This is coming from someone who owned two successive A8s over an 8 year period and has lost all interest in that, and any other market entrant, based on an ICE. My current interest level in new press releases for A8/7/S feels exactly like how I suddenly felt in 2004 or so when news of new laptop models suddenly failed to register even a blip.

semi-extrinsic 9y ago
> My current interest level in new press releases for A8/7/S feels exactly like how I suddenly felt in 2004 or so when news of new laptop models suddenly failed to register even a blip. If you think a Model S is way better overall than the high-end German fullsize cars, you were never actually in the target population for those cars in the first place. The things e.g. an S-class is renowned for - the attention to detail and quality of the interior, the ride quality, the ridiculous level of soundproofing, the rear legroom, the discrete rumble of the V8 - are on a level far beyond what Tesla delivers. Model S interior quality is on par with a VW Golf. And yes, I've ridden in both. But of course the Model S has features that appeal very much to the tech crowd, like a big touchscreen and OTA updates and a CEO that can be worshipped. It sounds a bit like someone who really enjoys off-roading complaining about how crappy the Model X SUV is because of the poor ground clearance and shitty tires.