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Came here to recommend that. Instead, use open source hardware. Use pen and paper! :-)
by avelis 9y ago
Came here to recommend that.
Instead, use open source hardware. Use pen and paper!
:-)
- zanny 9y agoWe could also use open source hardware that isn't pen and paper. We just need the open source part.
- benchaney 9y agoVerifying hardware more complicated than a pen and paper is prohibitively difficult.
- simias 9y agoAnd a way to simply audit them. It's a bit difficult to make a fake pen and paper that would trick me into voting for the wrong person (especially at scale).
- rurban 9y agoNope, that would not work. Paper and pen are the best secure methods. Everything digital is insecure.
- Zash 9y agoWhat open source hardware would that be, and how can everyone eligible to vote be able to understand how it works and be able to observe that it really does work?
- amenghra 9y agoEvery single person doesn't understand all the security aspects of today's paper & pen ballots, how they are secured before and after the day of voting, how they are transported from one location to another, how mail-in ballots get handled, etc. There's no reason to require something that everyone can understand when talking about a different voting system. IMHO, we should aim to build something (whether using physical machines or using cryptography/mathematical properties) that the various parties in a government can audit and recognize as secure and that leads to a larger portion of the population voting or a cheaper election process.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y agoWhether people do understand something is very different from whether people can understand something. While many people maybe aren't aware of the security mechanisms of a pen and paper election, essentially everyone can actually understand them if they feel the need to, and that is extremely important. You cannot resolve widespread distrust by putting a bunch of mathematicians on TV who tell the population that everything is fine.
- jfnixon 9y agoWe already have something that can be made secure, anonymous, and auditable, and yet is easy to understand and relatively inexpensive. It is pencil and paper ballots, with multiple interested parties observing the entire process.
- thanhquanky 9y agoremember the butterfly ballot?
- thrownblown 9y agonever forget the hanging chad!
- jdavis703 9y agoWell then you have issues like "hanging chads," [0] that's why e-voting became big in the US. 0: https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~goguen/courses/275f00/abc-chads.html https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~goguen/courses/275f00/abc-chads.htm...
- mnem 9y agoPen and paper doesn't suffer from hanging chads, surely? That's only if you use paper + hole punch for primitive automated counting?