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If you haven't seen a review on the model 3 I highly suggest MKBHD's review. He goes over how a lot of pieces of a standard car are stripped out (I.e. No physic

by dev1n 9y ago

If you haven't seen a review on the model 3 I highly suggest MKBHD's review. He goes over how a lot of pieces of a standard car are stripped out (I.e. No physical buttons) this was to reduce manufacturing complexity and increase production speed. Toyota does not build cars like the way Tesla has engineered this end to end.

maxerickson 9y ago
Speed is different than labor time per vehicle. Complex manufacturing is typically a highly parallel process. For instance, as Tesla ramps up to 5,000 vehicles a week sometime this year, Toyota will sell 30 to 40 thousand vehicles a week just in the US. One of them is obviously producing vehicles faster.
- dev1n 9y ago
  Toyota has 6 factories in the US while Tesla has one. 30,000 Toyota vehicles divided by 6 factories gives you 5,000 a week. Which is what Tesla is doing.
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    Tesla is planning to produce 5000 vehicles a week. But my point was that removing buttons isn't the only way to quickly produce cars and it is awkward to praise them for their relatively slow production rate. Praise them for reducing the time devoted to assembling each vehicle.
samfisher83 9y ago
The only you can make statement like this is based on data. We will see how the quality of the car once they have a few thousand on the road. Model S has had a bunch of quality issues. An electric car is theoretically simpler than a gas powered car. It has a battery and a motor. Electric cars were popular before gas cars in early part of the 20th century.
nicpottier 9y ago
I watched that video as well and some of the stuff just doesn't make sense. It is "cheaper and simpler" to have a software button actuate a relay to open my glovebox than having a simple latch? It is going to be easier to have electric actuators for redirecting air than having plastic blades I move myself? It doesn't hold water. These are crazy Musk fantasies being realized like the gull wing doors, not because they are cheaper, easier or more reliable. Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla, Musk and really love the model 3, but the reasoning just doesn't make sense.

by dev1n 9y ago

maxerickson 9y ago

Speed is different than labor time per vehicle. Complex manufacturing is typically a highly parallel process. For instance, as Tesla ramps up to 5,000 vehicles a week sometime this year, Toyota will sell 30 to 40 thousand vehicles a week just in the US. One of them is obviously producing vehicles faster.

dev1n 9y ago
Toyota has 6 factories in the US while Tesla has one. 30,000 Toyota vehicles divided by 6 factories gives you 5,000 a week. Which is what Tesla is doing.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Tesla is planning to produce 5000 vehicles a week. But my point was that removing buttons isn't the only way to quickly produce cars and it is awkward to praise them for their relatively slow production rate. Praise them for reducing the time devoted to assembling each vehicle.

samfisher83 9y ago

The only you can make statement like this is based on data. We will see how the quality of the car once they have a few thousand on the road. Model S has had a bunch of quality issues. An electric car is theoretically simpler than a gas powered car. It has a battery and a motor. Electric cars were popular before gas cars in early part of the 20th century.

nicpottier 9y ago

I watched that video as well and some of the stuff just doesn't make sense. It is "cheaper and simpler" to have a software button actuate a relay to open my glovebox than having a simple latch? It is going to be easier to have electric actuators for redirecting air than having plastic blades I move myself? It doesn't hold water. These are crazy Musk fantasies being realized like the gull wing doors, not because they are cheaper, easier or more reliable. Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla, Musk and really love the model 3, but the reasoning just doesn't make sense.