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Can we get a wikileaks reveal on Julian Assanges finances?

by smrtinsert 9y ago

drpgq 9y ago
I wonder if he pays rent.
- 5trokerac3 9y ago
  He does, actually
vnchr 9y ago
“That’s now how this works. That’s not how any of this works.”
seppin 9y ago
I wonder if it's the same account used to pay his RT wages. I mean, why change it?
rhcom2 9y ago
Or Putin's finances, now that would be a bombshell.
- dmix 9y ago
  Has any wealthy or powerful persons finances ever been leaked before (outside of the Panama leaks)? Or is this just popular political position to make regardless of relevance to reality? There is a very big difference between the security of peoples financial and tax records compared to say... some 70yr olds private email account stored on a poorly secured home server. Not to mention someone like Putin would likely have layers of shell companies and layers of diversions where it wouldn't be of much use. People like to pretend Wikileaks can hack and leak anything, and it's merely a political descision for them on who gets hacked. But they are merely a platform for leaks, publishing almost exclusively either opportunistic hacks (Manning leaks) or low hanging fruit (personal email servers) they recieve from other people. They don't direct a network of hackers to do their politically motivated bidding.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  As a supplement, I highly recommend (to anyone) watching William Browder's testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overturning-magnitsky-act-putins-top-priority https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overt... edit: I was having trouble with the C-Span player recently, so here's a youtube cap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg One of the senators put it well when they said something like 'it plays out like a novel nobody would buy'.
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  ...would it? That's an honest question. He's widely assumed to be corrupt, to have a large amount of money personally, and an enormous amount more at 1+ removes held by people connected to him. There's no sign that he intends to leave power, which means he can store plenty of it without any paperwork at all - just an implicit "you'll use this as I ask if I ever do ask". But he's also virtually untouchable, and his wealth-hiding seems to be less "no one can find it" and more "no one can prove it so undeniably that it becomes inconvenient". I'm not convinced there's anything 'leakable' that would be particularly important.
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rothbardrand 9y ago
I assume he has little money. Are you assuming he is compromised in some way and getting paid for it? OR do you think that Wikileaks itself is making a lot of money?
cookiecaper 9y ago
PRE-EDIT: The comment I was replying to got deleted. It expressed the sentiment that Assange and Wikileaks should not have aspersions cast upon them based on one's unhappiness that they leaked the Podesta mails, and that an interest in truth must include truth as a whole principle, rather than wanting only truths that reinforce one's political preferences. ---- Furthermore, beyond the campaign coverage, Wikileaks has revealed a lot of non-election related things over the last year, including CIA programs to remotely hijack any Samsung SmartTV and turn it into a listening device. Wikileaks appear to be staying true to their mission. It's sad that there is such a strong impulse to discredit the organization as a whole, and ignore/derail large amounts of the absolutely critical work they are doing, just because the group exposed the corrupt practices of one's favored political candidate.
- jnwatson 9y ago
  All you have to do is scan through Wikileaks' twitter posts to determine what side they are on. It takes a certain willful blindness to think otherwise.
  - cookiecaper 9y ago
    Well, the first several tweets in their stream right now are: Project Dumbo (this story, a leak against the CIA), a leaked series of documents on Swedish arms sales to India, a link to leaked transcripts of Trump's calls with Mexican and Australian leaders, a criticism of the Washington Post's decision to leave "minor spelling and grammatical errors" in the leaked documents intact (as these could be useful in identifying the leaker), a criticism that U.S. interference in Venezuela has worsened their governance crisis, and finally, two tweets that link to leaked phone calls which strongly imply Seth Rich was Wikileaks's source for the Podesta mail dumps. That seems to be pretty much what you'd expect from Wikileaks, no? A bunch of links to raw documents and cited critiques on international meddling and journalistic practice? That stream includes a criticism of U.S. meddling in international affairs, two leaks against the Trump admin, and a criticism of the WaPo's incompetence in sanitizing their leak, thus risking their inside man. How does it reveal "the side" that Wikileaks is on? If it's simply a matter of willful blindness, please enlighten me; I've got my eyes open here.
elif 9y ago
how would money even have value to him? gourmet food? more WL staff? what else would matter to him?

Can we get a wikileaks reveal on Julian Assanges finances?

drpgq 9y ago

I wonder if he pays rent.

5trokerac3 9y ago
He does, actually

vnchr 9y ago

“That’s now how this works. That’s not how any of this works.”

seppin 9y ago

I wonder if it's the same account used to pay his RT wages. I mean, why change it?

rhcom2 9y ago

Or Putin's finances, now that would be a bombshell.

dmix 9y ago
Has any wealthy or powerful persons finances ever been leaked before (outside of the Panama leaks)? Or is this just popular political position to make regardless of relevance to reality? There is a very big difference between the security of peoples financial and tax records compared to say... some 70yr olds private email account stored on a poorly secured home server. Not to mention someone like Putin would likely have layers of shell companies and layers of diversions where it wouldn't be of much use. People like to pretend Wikileaks can hack and leak anything, and it's merely a political descision for them on who gets hacked. But they are merely a platform for leaks, publishing almost exclusively either opportunistic hacks (Manning leaks) or low hanging fruit (personal email servers) they recieve from other people. They don't direct a network of hackers to do their politically motivated bidding.
52-6F-62 9y ago
As a supplement, I highly recommend (to anyone) watching William Browder's testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overturning-magnitsky-act-putins-top-priority https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overt... edit: I was having trouble with the C-Span player recently, so here's a youtube cap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg One of the senators put it well when they said something like 'it plays out like a novel nobody would buy'.
Bartweiss 9y ago
...would it? That's an honest question. He's widely assumed to be corrupt, to have a large amount of money personally, and an enormous amount more at 1+ removes held by people connected to him. There's no sign that he intends to leave power, which means he can store plenty of it without any paperwork at all - just an implicit "you'll use this as I ask if I ever do ask". But he's also virtually untouchable, and his wealth-hiding seems to be less "no one can find it" and more "no one can prove it so undeniably that it becomes inconvenient". I'm not convinced there's anything 'leakable' that would be particularly important.

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rothbardrand 9y ago

I assume he has little money. Are you assuming he is compromised in some way and getting paid for it? OR do you think that Wikileaks itself is making a lot of money?

cookiecaper 9y ago

PRE-EDIT: The comment I was replying to got deleted. It expressed the sentiment that Assange and Wikileaks should not have aspersions cast upon them based on one's unhappiness that they leaked the Podesta mails, and that an interest in truth must include truth as a whole principle, rather than wanting only truths that reinforce one's political preferences. ---- Furthermore, beyond the campaign coverage, Wikileaks has revealed a lot of non-election related things over the last year, including CIA programs to remotely hijack any Samsung SmartTV and turn it into a listening device. Wikileaks appear to be staying true to their mission. It's sad that there is such a strong impulse to discredit the organization as a whole, and ignore/derail large amounts of the absolutely critical work they are doing, just because the group exposed the corrupt practices of one's favored political candidate.

jnwatson 9y ago
All you have to do is scan through Wikileaks' twitter posts to determine what side they are on. It takes a certain willful blindness to think otherwise.
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  Well, the first several tweets in their stream right now are: Project Dumbo (this story, a leak against the CIA), a leaked series of documents on Swedish arms sales to India, a link to leaked transcripts of Trump's calls with Mexican and Australian leaders, a criticism of the Washington Post's decision to leave "minor spelling and grammatical errors" in the leaked documents intact (as these could be useful in identifying the leaker), a criticism that U.S. interference in Venezuela has worsened their governance crisis, and finally, two tweets that link to leaked phone calls which strongly imply Seth Rich was Wikileaks's source for the Podesta mail dumps. That seems to be pretty much what you'd expect from Wikileaks, no? A bunch of links to raw documents and cited critiques on international meddling and journalistic practice? That stream includes a criticism of U.S. meddling in international affairs, two leaks against the Trump admin, and a criticism of the WaPo's incompetence in sanitizing their leak, thus risking their inside man. How does it reveal "the side" that Wikileaks is on? If it's simply a matter of willful blindness, please enlighten me; I've got my eyes open here.

elif 9y ago

how would money even have value to him? gourmet food? more WL staff? what else would matter to him?