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>French immersion is also criticized for segregating the academically-minded families who put their students through it from the general population. "Academica

>French immersion is also criticized for segregating the academically-minded families who put their students through it from the general population. "Academically-minded families"? What do you mean? Families that care about education vs families that don't?

uiri 9y ago
I think that is exactly what he means. The parents who put their children in French immersion programs tend to fall into one of two groups. The first group are francophones living in an Anglophone part of the country. The second group are parents who prize academic success for their children.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >The second group are parents who prize academic success for their children. So apparently OP is finding fault with the fact that some parents care enough about their kids' education (specifically knowledge of French) to put them in a french immersion school. Given that both are public schools open to all, what are is OP actually complaining about?
  - syrrim 9y ago
    >Given that both are public schools open to all In the first few years of your education, yes they are open to all. However, once a child has gone through several years of french immersion, they have the ability to choose between continuing in french, or dropping into english. A child who has done only english has a similar option, but it will require considerable extra work on their part to switch to french. So a public french immersion high school cannot be considered open to all. >care enough about their kids' education (specifically knowledge of French) Not specifically. Certain public schools can be more well funded, or specialize in different areas than others. A school which has a french immersion program might also have a heavier focus on academics than other schools. Once it gains a better reputation, it might become attractive even to those who aren't interested in having a better education. A french immersion program is a way of limiting such peoples access to these schools.
    - macspoofing 9y ago
      > A child who has done only english has a similar option, but it will require considerable extra work on their part to switch to french. So a public french immersion high school cannot be considered open to all Yeah ... No. Are you just looking for things to complain? If there's some school with a good reputation is it automatically 'limiting access' to those kids who don't live in that neighborhood? Jeez.
Tiktaalik 9y ago
It is a class issue. Learning typical things in a new language one doesn't know is very difficult, so it requires more effort and potentially additional tutoring help. Wealthy families have the time and resources to deal with a heavier academic work load, but less wealthy families don't. In practice the French immersion programs have become a sort of private school within the public system where rich people try to put their kids in it to try to give them an edge over anyone else. A main issue is that there's seems to not be enough French teachers to expand the French immersion program to make it more accessible to everyone.

uiri 9y ago

I think that is exactly what he means. The parents who put their children in French immersion programs tend to fall into one of two groups. The first group are francophones living in an Anglophone part of the country. The second group are parents who prize academic success for their children.

macspoofing 9y ago
>The second group are parents who prize academic success for their children. So apparently OP is finding fault with the fact that some parents care enough about their kids' education (specifically knowledge of French) to put them in a french immersion school. Given that both are public schools open to all, what are is OP actually complaining about?
- syrrim 9y ago
  >Given that both are public schools open to all In the first few years of your education, yes they are open to all. However, once a child has gone through several years of french immersion, they have the ability to choose between continuing in french, or dropping into english. A child who has done only english has a similar option, but it will require considerable extra work on their part to switch to french. So a public french immersion high school cannot be considered open to all. >care enough about their kids' education (specifically knowledge of French) Not specifically. Certain public schools can be more well funded, or specialize in different areas than others. A school which has a french immersion program might also have a heavier focus on academics than other schools. Once it gains a better reputation, it might become attractive even to those who aren't interested in having a better education. A french immersion program is a way of limiting such peoples access to these schools.
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    > A child who has done only english has a similar option, but it will require considerable extra work on their part to switch to french. So a public french immersion high school cannot be considered open to all Yeah ... No. Are you just looking for things to complain? If there's some school with a good reputation is it automatically 'limiting access' to those kids who don't live in that neighborhood? Jeez.

Tiktaalik 9y ago

It is a class issue. Learning typical things in a new language one doesn't know is very difficult, so it requires more effort and potentially additional tutoring help. Wealthy families have the time and resources to deal with a heavier academic work load, but less wealthy families don't. In practice the French immersion programs have become a sort of private school within the public system where rich people try to put their kids in it to try to give them an edge over anyone else. A main issue is that there's seems to not be enough French teachers to expand the French immersion program to make it more accessible to everyone.