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> When half of your peers have an immigrant's work ethic That many?

vinceh 9y ago
Depends on where you are. In major cities like Vancouver[1] and Toronto[2], you have over half of the population belonging to "non caucasian". Although this doesn't directly mean all of them are immigrants, subsequent generation tend to carry (or at the very least but influenced) by their parents cultural values, like work ethic. Anecdotally, I'm a second generation Taiwanese living in Vancouver and I consider myself to have the "asian" work ethic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto
dx034 9y ago
Depends on the area you live in. Immigration tends to focus on certain spots (larger cities, areas where people from the same region already live, areas with international schools from that country). This effect occurs independent of the wealth of immigrants.
schwarrrtz 9y ago
Ok so I have some actual stats now: > More than 45 per cent of Metro Vancouver residents are foreign born, according to the 2011 census. There are only three major cities on the globe that have a higher percentage of foreign-born residents. > They are Dubai, Brussels and Toronto. http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/vancouver-fourth-for-foreign-born-residents-but-is-it-cosmopolitan http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/vancouver-fourth-fo...
- deanCommie 9y ago
  And yet all these people are united in their love for Vancouver, and Canada. Canada draws strength from diversity. I could see an American conservative looking at this list and shudder in fear from the "loss of white culture", and how immigrants couldn't possibly love their second country as much as native-borns. Yet we do. And Vancouver is proof. Source: Am Immigrant Vancouverite (presently living in Europe) * Obligatory footnote acknowledging our dark past with Japanese internment, and dark past and present with dealing with social problems that affect first nations communities disproportionately.
  - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
    > immigrants couldn't possibly love their second country as much as native-borns. I think they're more worried that immigrants won't love whites as much as other whites do.
    - biggerbistro 9y ago
      And why wouldn't they? Would you move to China if you didn't like Chinese people? Yet I've noticed this phenomenon recently, in which new Canadians think it is appropriate to disparage the old ones despite their choice to move to Canada. Racism never ceases to amaze me.
      - pm90 9y ago
        I understand your logic, but I don't believe its an accurate paradigm. Most immigrants don't migrate for cultural reasons, its more for economic ones. Most of my immigrant friends wouldn't give a shit what color the majority people were in the country they moved to as long as it was 1) Tolerant and 2) Provided better economic opportunities and quality of life. I'm not saying non-whites hate the whites or anything. I'm suggesting that's not the primary motivation for immigrants. For refugees... they literally just want to escape their hometown to escape death, so I think survival comes before anything else really.
        to_bpr 9y ago
        The fact that the majority of refugees arriving to Europe these days seem to be pushing to get to Germany, Britain or Scandanavia despite being able to "survive" in Turkey, Greece or Italy seems to refute your point a little.
        pm90 9y ago
        I don't see that it does, really. If Turkey gave citizenship to these refugees, and just allowed them to start their lives, they would perhaps have continued to stay there. Maybe I should have used a better word. They left their homeland to escape terrible conditions, but their conditions in camps in Turkey or Greece aren't very good either. They are trying to get back a semblance of normal life, which Germany seems to promise them.

Depends on where you are. In major cities like Vancouver[1] and Toronto[2], you have over half of the population belonging to "non caucasian". Although this doesn't directly mean all of them are immigrants, subsequent generation tend to carry (or at the very least but influenced) by their parents cultural values, like work ethic. Anecdotally, I'm a second generation Taiwanese living in Vancouver and I consider myself to have the "asian" work ethic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

dx034 9y ago

Depends on the area you live in. Immigration tends to focus on certain spots (larger cities, areas where people from the same region already live, areas with international schools from that country). This effect occurs independent of the wealth of immigrants.

schwarrrtz 9y ago

Ok so I have some actual stats now: > More than 45 per cent of Metro Vancouver residents are foreign born, according to the 2011 census. There are only three major cities on the globe that have a higher percentage of foreign-born residents. > They are Dubai, Brussels and Toronto. http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/vancouver-fourth-for-foreign-born-residents-but-is-it-cosmopolitan http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/vancouver-fourth-fo...

deanCommie 9y ago
And yet all these people are united in their love for Vancouver, and Canada. Canada draws strength from diversity. I could see an American conservative looking at this list and shudder in fear from the "loss of white culture", and how immigrants couldn't possibly love their second country as much as native-borns. Yet we do. And Vancouver is proof. Source: Am Immigrant Vancouverite (presently living in Europe) * Obligatory footnote acknowledging our dark past with Japanese internment, and dark past and present with dealing with social problems that affect first nations communities disproportionately.
- DarkKomunalec 9y ago
  > immigrants couldn't possibly love their second country as much as native-borns. I think they're more worried that immigrants won't love whites as much as other whites do.
  - biggerbistro 9y ago
    And why wouldn't they? Would you move to China if you didn't like Chinese people? Yet I've noticed this phenomenon recently, in which new Canadians think it is appropriate to disparage the old ones despite their choice to move to Canada. Racism never ceases to amaze me.
    - pm90 9y ago
      I understand your logic, but I don't believe its an accurate paradigm. Most immigrants don't migrate for cultural reasons, its more for economic ones. Most of my immigrant friends wouldn't give a shit what color the majority people were in the country they moved to as long as it was 1) Tolerant and 2) Provided better economic opportunities and quality of life. I'm not saying non-whites hate the whites or anything. I'm suggesting that's not the primary motivation for immigrants. For refugees... they literally just want to escape their hometown to escape death, so I think survival comes before anything else really.
      - to_bpr 9y ago
        The fact that the majority of refugees arriving to Europe these days seem to be pushing to get to Germany, Britain or Scandanavia despite being able to "survive" in Turkey, Greece or Italy seems to refute your point a little.
        pm90 9y ago
        I don't see that it does, really. If Turkey gave citizenship to these refugees, and just allowed them to start their lives, they would perhaps have continued to stay there. Maybe I should have used a better word. They left their homeland to escape terrible conditions, but their conditions in camps in Turkey or Greece aren't very good either. They are trying to get back a semblance of normal life, which Germany seems to promise them.