Thank you! What you describe regarding my experience might very well be possible. And I will look at Logo again. I am sure you are right regarding its design an

Thank you! What you describe regarding my experience might very well be possible. And I will look at Logo again. I am sure you are right regarding its design and foundation. You quoted my question about teaching-kids-to-program languages, but didn't really address it. Are they necessary? Might they not be detrimental? A kid who's interested in programming: wouldn't they be a lot more excited by, say, HTML and JavaScript—which brings the ability to make websites (!!) —than say, moving a robot, virtual or real. Then again, it is inherently hugely fun to interact with computers in a REPL-style manner, too. I just never felt inspired by the turtle and only kind of resented it. I wanted to learn about bits and bytes and to understand computers.