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Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to

Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence. On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you estrogen activity if it is low,or lower it if it is high due to the isoflavones (phytoestrogens) it contains. Cows milk will definitely heighten your estrogen activity,even though most of those hormones doesn't survive the environments in our stomachs,because that estrogen is highly active even in humans.

logfromblammo 9y ago
When I hear the word "vegan" I think of a person that spends so much time thinking about food and nutrition science that they just have to tell you all about it. They are one of my canaries in the metaphorical food safety coal mine. I am usually annoyed by all their incessant twittering, but if they ever actually fell silent, I'd be very alarmed. In all probability, from what I think I know, the phytoestrogens from soy-based foods are far less concerning than the bisphenol-A (BPA) in food-contacting plastics and thermal receipt paper. My profiler says to take care of the biggest problems first.
- Johnny_Brahms 9y ago
  The only reason I read about nutrition in general (and I can't say I am very knowledgeable about all possible effects of isaflavones) was that I was being constantly told by friends and family that I was going to die of whatever they imagined vegans died of. On BPA: I just found my son half devouring a receipt, so yeah: hormonally disturbing parent of the year!
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    ~Congratulations. You just guaranteed that he will grow up to wear a striped trilby, call it a fedora, and say "m'lady".~ ~...To his anime character pillow.~ ~...In your basement.~ ~Best to just turn yourself in to child protective services now, you horrible, horrible monster.~ Don't worry, anti-vaccine parents are still worse than you.
scythe 9y ago
On dairy and estrogen: http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.pdf http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.... >Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. I had a friend who went vegan and whose BMI soon became noticeably underweight (6'2"/150#;198cm/68kg); his girlfriend was concerned and started making lots of desserts. Some cajoling from me and others convinced him to give it up. But vegan self-injury is not actually that rare in my experience.
- Johnny_Brahms 9y ago
  Veganism as a means for eating disorders is pretty well known, but that is 1. A symptom of someone's sickly obsession with food and 2. Not really what I was talking about. Eating disorders by proxy would really be child abuse. I have seen smart people go vegan and only eat salads with some occasional tofu and then conclude it isn't possible to be vegan since that apparently means "live off 500kcal/day".

logfromblammo 9y ago

When I hear the word "vegan" I think of a person that spends so much time thinking about food and nutrition science that they just have to tell you all about it. They are one of my canaries in the metaphorical food safety coal mine. I am usually annoyed by all their incessant twittering, but if they ever actually fell silent, I'd be very alarmed. In all probability, from what I think I know, the phytoestrogens from soy-based foods are far less concerning than the bisphenol-A (BPA) in food-contacting plastics and thermal receipt paper. My profiler says to take care of the biggest problems first.

Johnny_Brahms 9y ago
The only reason I read about nutrition in general (and I can't say I am very knowledgeable about all possible effects of isaflavones) was that I was being constantly told by friends and family that I was going to die of whatever they imagined vegans died of. On BPA: I just found my son half devouring a receipt, so yeah: hormonally disturbing parent of the year!
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  ~Congratulations. You just guaranteed that he will grow up to wear a striped trilby, call it a fedora, and say "m'lady".~ ~...To his anime character pillow.~ ~...In your basement.~ ~Best to just turn yourself in to child protective services now, you horrible, horrible monster.~ Don't worry, anti-vaccine parents are still worse than you.

scythe 9y ago

On dairy and estrogen: http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.pdf http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.... >Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. I had a friend who went vegan and whose BMI soon became noticeably underweight (6'2"/150#;198cm/68kg); his girlfriend was concerned and started making lots of desserts. Some cajoling from me and others convinced him to give it up. But vegan self-injury is not actually that rare in my experience.

Johnny_Brahms 9y ago
Veganism as a means for eating disorders is pretty well known, but that is 1. A symptom of someone's sickly obsession with food and 2. Not really what I was talking about. Eating disorders by proxy would really be child abuse. I have seen smart people go vegan and only eat salads with some occasional tofu and then conclude it isn't possible to be vegan since that apparently means "live off 500kcal/day".