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"Leads to license suspencion. Leads to driving while license suspended." Or, like, don't drive without a license.

by adnam 9y ago

DanBC 9y ago
leads to job loss. you want them to work, right?
- adnam 9y ago
  However did anybody work before the invention of the internal combustion engine? rolls eyes
  - geofft 9y ago
    The internal combustion engine was invented in the 1860s or so. Do you know how the poorest demographic in America before the 1860s worked?
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    - milesvp 9y ago
      Economics changed. Right now the most affordable housing is furthest from job centers. Last time I compared apt prices where I live pricing was such that living within walking distance of downtown was priced such that pricing for similar apts 10 miles away had a delta greater than the cost of owning a car and commuting. God forbid you live in a city like LA that has no downtown because of freeway sprawl.
  - SophosQ 9y ago
    Yes, thanks to shorter distances and the horse-cart. I assure you it's more expensive to own a horse in an urban environment.
  - KingMob 9y ago
    However did the past become the present? rolls eyes Cities were structured so that people lived closer to work. On the farm, you lived and worked there. In cities, factories only employed people nearby because anyone farther away couldn't easily/affordably get to work. Unfortunately, with the spread of highways, suburbs, and cheap gas, American society rearranged itself around everyone having a car, so now having one puts you at a disadvantage. Please either contribute comments of substance or wit, and reserve the trolling for 4chan.
    - adnam 9y ago
      Having an opinion which which you disagree is not "trolling".
      - KingMob 9y ago
        Spewing one-liners to stir people up while refusing to debate is trolling.
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NoCoastCoder 9y ago
Leads to losing job...
justadeveloper2 9y ago
Meh, you gotta do what you gotta do. You think for one second that if I had my license revoked that I wouldn't drive to get to work to support my family? You're a statist if you think driver's licenses prove you are a good driver--they're bullshit, just like all those little tags and stickers are bullshit. And a man can only eat so much bullshit.
tomxor 9y ago
pfft... reduce your statement to "or like just follow the rules stupid" you really missed the point... fundamentally why do you think people do something like stealing food? because they don't know stealing is wrong? or because they are fucking hungry and are poor?
KingMob 9y ago
If you're an American, there are huge parts of the country where lacking a car is infeasible. But for the sake of argument, let's say you shutter your car. You can spend a ton of time walking to, and waiting on, public buses, time you can't use to study for a degree, or be with your kids. Maybe you rely on a friend's car, but then you miss out on last-minute shift opportunities, and your friend's transport problems become your problems, too, so if they're sick, you miss a shift and risk getting fired. You're so out-of-touch, I'm surprised you didn't just say "Let them Uber to work, then."
- adnam 9y ago
  I'm not American, thankfully
  - dang 9y ago
    National flamewar comments will get you banned here. Please don't do this again. (Regardless of which nation, obviously.)
    - adnam 9y ago
      This guy has been hugely discourteous to me, why not ban him? Things like this are partly the reason I just want to delete my HN history and leave.
milesvp 9y ago
Sure, you can lose your job because you can't get to your job, or you can??? I'm sorry what alternative are you offering? We live in a society where driving is most necessary for those who can least afford it. I think you may grossly misunderstand how difficult life is for people struggling to get by. You are right, that poor choices can lead someone to a scenario where there are no good choices though. Most of this chain can be broken by just taking some time to take care of their life, but that is not always as simple as it sounds. Right now I personally have societal+familial+work obligations that total 17+hrs daily and I'm lucky to get 6hrs sleep, 3 uninterrupted. I am not poor, and I'm lucky to have a very flexible job, so I could take time to deal a minor fine so it didn't escalate past early court escalations, but I'm not sure I'd be able to trivially take time off to deal with a court appearance if I had a more demanding job, I don't have a lot of flexibility elsewhere to borrow from. Never forget that it's easy to judge someone's actions from outside, but in their same mental state and reality constraints, you may make the same decisions.
Jotra7 9y ago
Spoken like a true asshole. What if they have no other way to get to work?

"Leads to license suspencion. Leads to driving while license suspended." Or, like, don't drive without a license.

by adnam 9y ago

"Leads to license suspencion. Leads to driving while license suspended." Or, like, don't drive without a license.

DanBC 9y ago

leads to job loss. you want them to work, right?

adnam 9y ago
However did anybody work before the invention of the internal combustion engine? rolls eyes
- geofft 9y ago
  The internal combustion engine was invented in the 1860s or so. Do you know how the poorest demographic in America before the 1860s worked?
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - milesvp 9y ago
    Economics changed. Right now the most affordable housing is furthest from job centers. Last time I compared apt prices where I live pricing was such that living within walking distance of downtown was priced such that pricing for similar apts 10 miles away had a delta greater than the cost of owning a car and commuting. God forbid you live in a city like LA that has no downtown because of freeway sprawl.
- SophosQ 9y ago
  Yes, thanks to shorter distances and the horse-cart. I assure you it's more expensive to own a horse in an urban environment.
- KingMob 9y ago
  However did the past become the present? rolls eyes Cities were structured so that people lived closer to work. On the farm, you lived and worked there. In cities, factories only employed people nearby because anyone farther away couldn't easily/affordably get to work. Unfortunately, with the spread of highways, suburbs, and cheap gas, American society rearranged itself around everyone having a car, so now having one puts you at a disadvantage. Please either contribute comments of substance or wit, and reserve the trolling for 4chan.
  - adnam 9y ago
    Having an opinion which which you disagree is not "trolling".
    - KingMob 9y ago
      Spewing one-liners to stir people up while refusing to debate is trolling.
- deleted 9y ago
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NoCoastCoder 9y ago

Leads to losing job...

justadeveloper2 9y ago

Meh, you gotta do what you gotta do. You think for one second that if I had my license revoked that I wouldn't drive to get to work to support my family? You're a statist if you think driver's licenses prove you are a good driver--they're bullshit, just like all those little tags and stickers are bullshit. And a man can only eat so much bullshit.

tomxor 9y ago

pfft... reduce your statement to "or like just follow the rules stupid" you really missed the point... fundamentally why do you think people do something like stealing food? because they don't know stealing is wrong? or because they are fucking hungry and are poor?

KingMob 9y ago

If you're an American, there are huge parts of the country where lacking a car is infeasible. But for the sake of argument, let's say you shutter your car. You can spend a ton of time walking to, and waiting on, public buses, time you can't use to study for a degree, or be with your kids. Maybe you rely on a friend's car, but then you miss out on last-minute shift opportunities, and your friend's transport problems become your problems, too, so if they're sick, you miss a shift and risk getting fired. You're so out-of-touch, I'm surprised you didn't just say "Let them Uber to work, then."

adnam 9y ago
I'm not American, thankfully
- dang 9y ago
  National flamewar comments will get you banned here. Please don't do this again. (Regardless of which nation, obviously.)
  - adnam 9y ago
    This guy has been hugely discourteous to me, why not ban him? Things like this are partly the reason I just want to delete my HN history and leave.

milesvp 9y ago

Sure, you can lose your job because you can't get to your job, or you can??? I'm sorry what alternative are you offering? We live in a society where driving is most necessary for those who can least afford it. I think you may grossly misunderstand how difficult life is for people struggling to get by. You are right, that poor choices can lead someone to a scenario where there are no good choices though. Most of this chain can be broken by just taking some time to take care of their life, but that is not always as simple as it sounds. Right now I personally have societal+familial+work obligations that total 17+hrs daily and I'm lucky to get 6hrs sleep, 3 uninterrupted. I am not poor, and I'm lucky to have a very flexible job, so I could take time to deal a minor fine so it didn't escalate past early court escalations, but I'm not sure I'd be able to trivially take time off to deal with a court appearance if I had a more demanding job, I don't have a lot of flexibility elsewhere to borrow from. Never forget that it's easy to judge someone's actions from outside, but in their same mental state and reality constraints, you may make the same decisions.

Jotra7 9y ago

Spoken like a true asshole. What if they have no other way to get to work?