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I noticed this myself watching my friends young cousin browse Youtube.. his feed was half clickbait 20-something white guys yelling at you to subscribe Minecraf

I noticed this myself watching my friends young cousin browse Youtube.. his feed was half clickbait 20-something white guys yelling at you to subscribe Minecraft videos, half perverted (such as Spiderman kissing Elsa from Frozen) or oddly gory children videos like the ones described in the article. If I ever have kids, there's no way in hell I'm letting them run free with an iPad or iPhone. I know it's the "easy way out" to distract your kids at the dinner table, but I can't help but feel like it's bad for their mental development. Then again, I was part of the first generation that grew up with the modern internet and am decently well adjusted despite being exposed to weird content at a young age. Hm.

bdamm 9y ago
You may make a different choice after years of being unable to do anything but give 100% of your attention to the child. Someone needs to cook & clean, or go to work, after all. In the "old days" you'd just cut your kid loose into the environment. Well, these days, TV and iPads are part of the environment, and YouTube along with it. I'm not saying you wouldn't make boundaries. Boundaries are important. But that may also include a certain amount of time of letting the child "run free" with the iPad.
- ForRealsies 9y ago
  Elsagate
- SkyMarshal 9y ago
  Or you just do it the old fashioned way - teach them to read and give them books. If they can use an iPad they can read.
  - cpach 9y ago
    No. Kids can operate iPads long well before they are able to learn how to read.
    - coolaliasbro 9y ago
      I think parent was referring to children that can read, but in any case, children don't come preloaded with tablets, etc.. If my son decides to get crafty and throw a fit because I will not let him play with my phone (ever) or a PS4 controller or whatever, his ass can sit in his room and figure it out and/or cry. I don't negotiate with terrorists.
  - bdamm 9y ago
    My child was competently operating an iPad before he could talk or walk
    - softawre 9y ago
      Mine too, and it is amazing. Would yours also try to touch the TV to swipe it? My 4 year old is just now learning to use a mouse, but she's been at a touchscreen for over 3 years.
      - jarrettch 9y ago
        My daughter is 3 and learned to use a phone/tablet before she was 2. Whenever I'd pull up YouTube on my tv she'd walk to the tv and try to swipe it as well. Often getting upset thinking the tv was broken, haha. She was used to iPads, but one day I gave her my Android tablet. She was upset at first because things are slightly different, but adjusted quickly. I was shocked at how fast she picked it up.
    - ozmodiar 9y ago
      I've witnessed this myself, many times. I honestly find the proficiency of iPad finger gestures in children < 2 to be shocking. It feels like I'm viewing some real world parody with how quick and controlled their hand motions are as they navigate through the interface. It really gave me a new appreciation for just how intuitive the UI is for someone with zero technical literacy... or any form of literacy for that matter. I had one family tell me they learned about five finger swipes from their 1 year old daughter.
    - girishso 9y ago
      It was same with my kid
  - tzs 9y ago
    Some of the books people often think are suitable for children are pretty disturbing, too, such as Grimms' Fairy Tales. When these are adapted for cartoons by Disney and others they are usually greatly sanitized. A parent who remembers those adaptations and thinks that is what they are getting when they get the original book versions is in for a surprise. They are full of stories of people who are cruel and who cheat and abuse the weak and innocent, and in the end...that works out great for them and they get everything they wanted.
- QAPereo 9y ago
  I would be pretty worried that my kid was hooked up to a virtual Skinner Box actually, and I'd prioritize avoiding that. My friends have managed to keep their 6 year old girl away from this kind of thing, so it's definitely doable.
- Simon_says 9y ago
  I hear what you're saying. As a kid in the bad old days, pre-Internet, I used to play outside with my friends for hours at a time. Is that not an option anymore?
  - Kenji 9y ago
    No. Many parents are literally paranoid about their kids being harmed, even though many areas have an all-time low of crime in human history. Not to mention, police picking up children who are playing alone and parents getting into trouble for being "irresponsible". It is f'ed up. Many kids just end up choosing the computer because parents make it easier to access than outside playgrounds and it's just as interesting.
    - kpil 9y ago
      It's even weirder since we can give them phones, or watches with integrated phones and gps-trackers and what not. When I was 12 I yelled a friends name while walking out the door, and was expected to be back by dinner. If I wasn't the best thing my parents could do was to call my friends parents (homes) and ask if I was there.
  - vkou 9y ago
    It's an option if you want to get harassed by Child Protection Services, the police, etc. All it takes is one asshole (Or good Samaritan) to give the latter a call, and you'll have a lot of explaining to do. And heaven help you if either group finds a joint in your home.
    - eru 9y ago
      Some examples of that making the news every now and then. Nobody's gonna call Child Protection Services on you when the kids are at home with the iPad.
- dottedmag 9y ago
  Letting a child "running free" with the iPad locked down to Duolingo and Scratch Jr works fine as well.
- jacobr 9y ago
  You can also give them an iPad in Airplane mode.
- mahyarm 9y ago
  You can lock down the iPad to not allow youtube, web browsing or any app installs / in app purchases and they have to come to you for permission to install new games.
- athenot 9y ago
  As a father (who does the cooking), I can relate to that difficulty. However I'm not allowing youtube access precisely because of the unpredictably of the content. I prefer my child to go on a Netflix or Disney Channel binge of her favorite show, rather than let her brain get hacked before she's able to understand what's going on. But turning the TV off (mobile isn't allowed) usually results in solo play with toys. It took a bit of coaxing but now when sitting down, we agree how many episodes will be watched before the screen goes dark.
- nasalgoat 9y ago
  I really wish YouTube offered parental controls on the YouTube app for iPads. I catch my toddler watching all kinds of terrible videos. I think there's some way involving a Google account but it's not obvious.
  - utefanoo1 9y ago
    Apple makes clear youtube app is for 18+, Android has similar req in fine print for youtube app in play store. I would remove youtube and install youtube app for kids.
- swiley 9y ago
  That's so sad, when I was first aloud to "roam free" on the web at 12 was when I taught myself basic and pascal. I used it differently back then too. I opened a browser with what I wanted in mind, I found it, then I closed the browser and did something else. There was never this mindless wandering or idle talking, just fetching pdfs and saving html tutorials and downloading compilers. Maybe I've romanticized it though...
- threatofrain 9y ago
  YouTube, iPads, TV's, can float around in the homes of other families, and your kids can visit their homes and play on their Xbox or whatever. But that doesn't mean these things need to be part of your kids home, work, or play routine. Even kids in nice areas around the bay area aren't about to suddenly bring home an iPad or iPhone without their parents notice. Kids will beg, but they will also learn to stop begging; they will learn that their family just does things differently. I've seen plenty of parents choose NOT to buy their kids a major computing device until junior high age, and prior to then making them go through the inconvenience of typing on their parents computer. It doesn't screw them up. It doesn't make them socially weird. It doesn't make them technologically aversive later, and it doesn't stunt their enthusiasm for play. If you want to give your kids unsupervised play, because you need some personal or work time, what's wrong with biking around the city with friends?
  - bdamm 9y ago
    Lol! Let's check back when you have a kid of your own. There are so many reasons why your idea of how it works is not quite right. (Bike around the city? A 3yr old? Surely you jest!)
graphitezepp 9y ago
Also part of the first generation internet, definitely believe the internet was deeply harmful to my development, as well as a subset of my peers. Suspect that subset will grow larger with Ipad parenting being normal. Not trying to tell anyone how to parent, but I don't like how ubiquitous internet has become with so little good psychology done on it's effects socially.
- rjeli 9y ago
  Yeah. I learned fascinating things from Wikipedia, learned to develop, which led to working in tech which I am thankful for. But I also went from reading novels for 12 hours a day to browsing reddit for 12 hours a day, which did a number on my brain. Deeply regret it.
  - sjg007 9y ago
    I found that it reduced my concentration and ability to focus.
    - CM30 9y ago
      I found the same thing after I started using Twitter and Facebook. Old school websites as a kid? Eh, didn't hurt my concentration that much. But modern social media sites are something different entirely, and they've likely given their users a 30 second attention span or worse.
DanBC 9y ago
watch out though. "Is captainsparkles child-friendly?" or "child friendly youtubers" into google will return lists saying yes, captainsparkles is child friendly. He's employed by MakerStudios, which is owned by Disney. Seems pretty solidly okay for children. Except, when he plays with other people, they'll start swearing. So, you have to prescreen everything, or have the discussion about language, or just not care about language. (Even if you don't care if your 6 year old says "fuck" I can pretty much guarantee that schools and other parents see it as a problem.)
Swizec 9y ago
> half perverted (such as Spiderman kissing Elsa from Frozen) or oddly gory children videos like the ones described in the article. Sounds a lot like the Cartoon Network I was addicted to as a kid. When I watch some of those cartoons and understand the subtextual jokes ... damn that shit was pervy and weird. As a kid I had no idea. Didn't even notice, I just liked it when the Coyote got flattened, Dexter's experiment blew up, and Jerry hit Tom with a baseball bat.
kpil 9y ago
Here's an anecdote: My five year old daughter got a new classmate in kindergarten that didn't speak our language but knew a little English. In some way my daughter must have learned just enough words and sentences to be able to communicate more or less right away. The teachers found this fascinating and asked us if we were teaching her or even talking English at home - which we don't. In fact we had no idea what they were talking about. Anyway, she seems to understand quite much. I have absolutely no idea where this comes from - the only thing I can think of is that it's because of YouTube. Not that she spends hours and hours, but since she more or less never watches TV I haven't been bothered that much if she get stuck in front of a tablet for a while. That being said, I try to be aware of what she's watching because there is some weird stuff out there although I don't exactly think that Spidey kissing is harmful.

bdamm 9y ago

You may make a different choice after years of being unable to do anything but give 100% of your attention to the child. Someone needs to cook & clean, or go to work, after all. In the "old days" you'd just cut your kid loose into the environment. Well, these days, TV and iPads are part of the environment, and YouTube along with it. I'm not saying you wouldn't make boundaries. Boundaries are important. But that may also include a certain amount of time of letting the child "run free" with the iPad.

ForRealsies 9y ago
Elsagate
SkyMarshal 9y ago
Or you just do it the old fashioned way - teach them to read and give them books. If they can use an iPad they can read.
- cpach 9y ago
  No. Kids can operate iPads long well before they are able to learn how to read.
  - coolaliasbro 9y ago
    I think parent was referring to children that can read, but in any case, children don't come preloaded with tablets, etc.. If my son decides to get crafty and throw a fit because I will not let him play with my phone (ever) or a PS4 controller or whatever, his ass can sit in his room and figure it out and/or cry. I don't negotiate with terrorists.
- bdamm 9y ago
  My child was competently operating an iPad before he could talk or walk
  - softawre 9y ago
    Mine too, and it is amazing. Would yours also try to touch the TV to swipe it? My 4 year old is just now learning to use a mouse, but she's been at a touchscreen for over 3 years.
    - jarrettch 9y ago
      My daughter is 3 and learned to use a phone/tablet before she was 2. Whenever I'd pull up YouTube on my tv she'd walk to the tv and try to swipe it as well. Often getting upset thinking the tv was broken, haha. She was used to iPads, but one day I gave her my Android tablet. She was upset at first because things are slightly different, but adjusted quickly. I was shocked at how fast she picked it up.
  - ozmodiar 9y ago
    I've witnessed this myself, many times. I honestly find the proficiency of iPad finger gestures in children < 2 to be shocking. It feels like I'm viewing some real world parody with how quick and controlled their hand motions are as they navigate through the interface. It really gave me a new appreciation for just how intuitive the UI is for someone with zero technical literacy... or any form of literacy for that matter. I had one family tell me they learned about five finger swipes from their 1 year old daughter.
  - girishso 9y ago
    It was same with my kid
- tzs 9y ago
  Some of the books people often think are suitable for children are pretty disturbing, too, such as Grimms' Fairy Tales. When these are adapted for cartoons by Disney and others they are usually greatly sanitized. A parent who remembers those adaptations and thinks that is what they are getting when they get the original book versions is in for a surprise. They are full of stories of people who are cruel and who cheat and abuse the weak and innocent, and in the end...that works out great for them and they get everything they wanted.
QAPereo 9y ago
I would be pretty worried that my kid was hooked up to a virtual Skinner Box actually, and I'd prioritize avoiding that. My friends have managed to keep their 6 year old girl away from this kind of thing, so it's definitely doable.
Simon_says 9y ago
I hear what you're saying. As a kid in the bad old days, pre-Internet, I used to play outside with my friends for hours at a time. Is that not an option anymore?
- Kenji 9y ago
  No. Many parents are literally paranoid about their kids being harmed, even though many areas have an all-time low of crime in human history. Not to mention, police picking up children who are playing alone and parents getting into trouble for being "irresponsible". It is f'ed up. Many kids just end up choosing the computer because parents make it easier to access than outside playgrounds and it's just as interesting.
  - kpil 9y ago
    It's even weirder since we can give them phones, or watches with integrated phones and gps-trackers and what not. When I was 12 I yelled a friends name while walking out the door, and was expected to be back by dinner. If I wasn't the best thing my parents could do was to call my friends parents (homes) and ask if I was there.
- vkou 9y ago
  It's an option if you want to get harassed by Child Protection Services, the police, etc. All it takes is one asshole (Or good Samaritan) to give the latter a call, and you'll have a lot of explaining to do. And heaven help you if either group finds a joint in your home.
  - eru 9y ago
    Some examples of that making the news every now and then. Nobody's gonna call Child Protection Services on you when the kids are at home with the iPad.
dottedmag 9y ago
Letting a child "running free" with the iPad locked down to Duolingo and Scratch Jr works fine as well.
jacobr 9y ago
You can also give them an iPad in Airplane mode.
mahyarm 9y ago
You can lock down the iPad to not allow youtube, web browsing or any app installs / in app purchases and they have to come to you for permission to install new games.
athenot 9y ago
As a father (who does the cooking), I can relate to that difficulty. However I'm not allowing youtube access precisely because of the unpredictably of the content. I prefer my child to go on a Netflix or Disney Channel binge of her favorite show, rather than let her brain get hacked before she's able to understand what's going on. But turning the TV off (mobile isn't allowed) usually results in solo play with toys. It took a bit of coaxing but now when sitting down, we agree how many episodes will be watched before the screen goes dark.
nasalgoat 9y ago
I really wish YouTube offered parental controls on the YouTube app for iPads. I catch my toddler watching all kinds of terrible videos. I think there's some way involving a Google account but it's not obvious.
- utefanoo1 9y ago
  Apple makes clear youtube app is for 18+, Android has similar req in fine print for youtube app in play store. I would remove youtube and install youtube app for kids.
swiley 9y ago
That's so sad, when I was first aloud to "roam free" on the web at 12 was when I taught myself basic and pascal. I used it differently back then too. I opened a browser with what I wanted in mind, I found it, then I closed the browser and did something else. There was never this mindless wandering or idle talking, just fetching pdfs and saving html tutorials and downloading compilers. Maybe I've romanticized it though...
threatofrain 9y ago
YouTube, iPads, TV's, can float around in the homes of other families, and your kids can visit their homes and play on their Xbox or whatever. But that doesn't mean these things need to be part of your kids home, work, or play routine. Even kids in nice areas around the bay area aren't about to suddenly bring home an iPad or iPhone without their parents notice. Kids will beg, but they will also learn to stop begging; they will learn that their family just does things differently. I've seen plenty of parents choose NOT to buy their kids a major computing device until junior high age, and prior to then making them go through the inconvenience of typing on their parents computer. It doesn't screw them up. It doesn't make them socially weird. It doesn't make them technologically aversive later, and it doesn't stunt their enthusiasm for play. If you want to give your kids unsupervised play, because you need some personal or work time, what's wrong with biking around the city with friends?
- bdamm 9y ago
  Lol! Let's check back when you have a kid of your own. There are so many reasons why your idea of how it works is not quite right. (Bike around the city? A 3yr old? Surely you jest!)

graphitezepp 9y ago

Also part of the first generation internet, definitely believe the internet was deeply harmful to my development, as well as a subset of my peers. Suspect that subset will grow larger with Ipad parenting being normal. Not trying to tell anyone how to parent, but I don't like how ubiquitous internet has become with so little good psychology done on it's effects socially.

rjeli 9y ago
Yeah. I learned fascinating things from Wikipedia, learned to develop, which led to working in tech which I am thankful for. But I also went from reading novels for 12 hours a day to browsing reddit for 12 hours a day, which did a number on my brain. Deeply regret it.
- sjg007 9y ago
  I found that it reduced my concentration and ability to focus.
  - CM30 9y ago
    I found the same thing after I started using Twitter and Facebook. Old school websites as a kid? Eh, didn't hurt my concentration that much. But modern social media sites are something different entirely, and they've likely given their users a 30 second attention span or worse.

DanBC 9y ago

watch out though. "Is captainsparkles child-friendly?" or "child friendly youtubers" into google will return lists saying yes, captainsparkles is child friendly. He's employed by MakerStudios, which is owned by Disney. Seems pretty solidly okay for children. Except, when he plays with other people, they'll start swearing. So, you have to prescreen everything, or have the discussion about language, or just not care about language. (Even if you don't care if your 6 year old says "fuck" I can pretty much guarantee that schools and other parents see it as a problem.)

Swizec 9y ago

> half perverted (such as Spiderman kissing Elsa from Frozen) or oddly gory children videos like the ones described in the article. Sounds a lot like the Cartoon Network I was addicted to as a kid. When I watch some of those cartoons and understand the subtextual jokes ... damn that shit was pervy and weird. As a kid I had no idea. Didn't even notice, I just liked it when the Coyote got flattened, Dexter's experiment blew up, and Jerry hit Tom with a baseball bat.

kpil 9y ago

Here's an anecdote: My five year old daughter got a new classmate in kindergarten that didn't speak our language but knew a little English. In some way my daughter must have learned just enough words and sentences to be able to communicate more or less right away. The teachers found this fascinating and asked us if we were teaching her or even talking English at home - which we don't. In fact we had no idea what they were talking about. Anyway, she seems to understand quite much. I have absolutely no idea where this comes from - the only thing I can think of is that it's because of YouTube. Not that she spends hours and hours, but since she more or less never watches TV I haven't been bothered that much if she get stuck in front of a tablet for a while. That being said, I try to be aware of what she's watching because there is some weird stuff out there although I don't exactly think that Spidey kissing is harmful.