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Vancouver has the high COL of the Bay Area with significantly lower wages. I don't see it becoming a major player.

by ng12 9y ago

rfdub 9y ago
I live in Vancouver, can confirm. Maybe after a significant liquidity event or two pumps some capital into the local ecosystem, but at present there are few (if any) world class tech companies here and despite the incredibly high and fast rising cost of living, wages are actually the lowest of any major Canadian city. Sure its a desirable place to live, but few world class talents are going to relocate here to work for second or third tier companies, for 50% less than they'd make in other markets, when a 30% more of their salary will be going to housing costs. Vancouver is a real-estate city, not a tech city and likely always will be.
- jensv 9y ago
  I think there are a few like Arista Networks, Facebook and Amazon. You might make 80k+ and spend 15k on housing and the general cost of living is still lower than SF. Just yesterday I meant some SF based founders come visit because of tax credit incentives, lower labour costs, COL, etc.
purple-again 9y ago
Also it is in Canada. A huge draw of the Bay Area is its excellent weather. A huge detriment to living in Canada is its horrible weather.
- _delirium 9y ago
  Vancouver has pretty nice, mild weather. Summers in the 70s, winters in the 40s and 50s. Great for outdoors stuff that is nearby. It does drizzle quite a bit, but then so does Seattle, which attracts tech companies & workers just fine.
Retric 9y ago
Vancouver is still significantly cheaper than the Bay Area, you can get a studio for less than 1000$USD / month.
- dionidium 9y ago
  This underlines an important distinction about Vancouver real estate: it's very expensive to purchase a home in Vancouver, but rents have not exploded at the same pace. That makes it a very different value proposition from what exists in the SFBA (especially for younger folks who don't necessarily want to buy).
  - gozur88 9y ago
    A big gap between buying and renting is the classic indication of a speculative housing bubble. You may not want to buy a place in Vancouver right now.
qdev 9y ago
With the relatively low wages in Vancouver, it seems strange that more companies aren't setting up offices here to take advantage of that. This is all the more strange if the infographic at the end of this article is correct: http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/how-migration-wars-impact-metro-vancouvers-high-tech-sector http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/how-migration-wars-i... ie. it appears that Vancouver and Toronto have very high quality tech talent but extremely low labour cost. I'm sure much of this is due to the exchange rate. But no matter the reason, it sounds like companies could find a competitive edge by setting up in Canada.

Vancouver has the high COL of the Bay Area with significantly lower wages. I don't see it becoming a major player.

by ng12 9y ago

Vancouver has the high COL of the Bay Area with significantly lower wages. I don't see it becoming a major player.

I live in Vancouver, can confirm. Maybe after a significant liquidity event or two pumps some capital into the local ecosystem, but at present there are few (if any) world class tech companies here and despite the incredibly high and fast rising cost of living, wages are actually the lowest of any major Canadian city. Sure its a desirable place to live, but few world class talents are going to relocate here to work for second or third tier companies, for 50% less than they'd make in other markets, when a 30% more of their salary will be going to housing costs. Vancouver is a real-estate city, not a tech city and likely always will be.

jensv 9y ago
I think there are a few like Arista Networks, Facebook and Amazon. You might make 80k+ and spend 15k on housing and the general cost of living is still lower than SF. Just yesterday I meant some SF based founders come visit because of tax credit incentives, lower labour costs, COL, etc.

purple-again 9y ago

Also it is in Canada. A huge draw of the Bay Area is its excellent weather. A huge detriment to living in Canada is its horrible weather.

_delirium 9y ago
Vancouver has pretty nice, mild weather. Summers in the 70s, winters in the 40s and 50s. Great for outdoors stuff that is nearby. It does drizzle quite a bit, but then so does Seattle, which attracts tech companies & workers just fine.

Retric 9y ago

Vancouver is still significantly cheaper than the Bay Area, you can get a studio for less than 1000$USD / month.

dionidium 9y ago
This underlines an important distinction about Vancouver real estate: it's very expensive to purchase a home in Vancouver, but rents have not exploded at the same pace. That makes it a very different value proposition from what exists in the SFBA (especially for younger folks who don't necessarily want to buy).
- gozur88 9y ago
  A big gap between buying and renting is the classic indication of a speculative housing bubble. You may not want to buy a place in Vancouver right now.

qdev 9y ago

With the relatively low wages in Vancouver, it seems strange that more companies aren't setting up offices here to take advantage of that. This is all the more strange if the infographic at the end of this article is correct: http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/how-migration-wars-impact-metro-vancouvers-high-tech-sector http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/how-migration-wars-i... ie. it appears that Vancouver and Toronto have very high quality tech talent but extremely low labour cost. I'm sure much of this is due to the exchange rate. But no matter the reason, it sounds like companies could find a competitive edge by setting up in Canada.