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TL;DR major shareholders want to make profit, therefore found a way to kick out visionary CEO to replace with MBA/financial CEO. Without a publicliy valid reaso

by erikb 9y ago

TL;DR major shareholders want to make profit, therefore found a way to kick out visionary CEO to replace with MBA/financial CEO. Without a publicliy valid reason they just complained about the CV, a document which barely ever is 100% honest. But since the old CEO doesn't seem to make a fuss of it, the severance package probably was good enough.

mikeash 9y ago
The guy claimed to have a PhD from MIT and an MBA from NYU, when he never even went to either school. Are you defending that on the basis that everyone lies on their resume?
wolfgke 9y ago
> Without a publicliy valid reason they just complained about the CV, a document which barely ever is 100% honest. At least in Germany lying in the CV is considered as a very serious issue. What you called "barely 100% correct" would thus probably be called "fraud" in Germany.
- erikb 9y ago
  Can you be more specific? This is the first time I hear someone say that. I'm educated to individually write CVs for each company related to what they need. I never needed to provide any proof either.
  - wolfgke 9y ago
    > Can you be more specific? Here are some articles about this topic (all in German): > http://hoesmann.eu/im-lebenslauf-gelogen-was-sind-die-juristischen-folgen/ http://hoesmann.eu/im-lebenslauf-gelogen-was-sind-die-jurist... > https://arbeitgeber.monster.de/hr/personal-tipps/rekrutierung-verguetung/bewerberauswahl/frisierte-bewerbungen-entlarven-74644.aspx https://arbeitgeber.monster.de/hr/personal-tipps/rekrutierun... > http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/luegen-bei-der-bewerbung-das-droht-bei-lebenslauf-manipulation-a-1041634.html http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/luegen-bei-der-bewerbung-das-... > https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/karriere/tipps/article13495184/Wie-Arbeitgeber-Blender-und-Aufschneider-entlarven.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/karriere/tipps/article1349518... Principally if a lie in your CV is uncovered, you can immediately be fired (even if it was not fraud in the legal sense; being a relevant reason to give you the job suffices), even if you worked for years in the company. So be honest. > I'm educated to individually write CVs for each company related to what they need. I am not a native English speaker - so I am not sure what you are trying to say here. > I never needed to provide any proof either. Some time ago as a sick leave cover I was in a commission for a rather prestigious academic scholarship for students. I had a lot of exaggerations and concealments in the application forms and CVs to uncover. If someone uncovered such one in the selection interview, you could be sure that the candidate would not be selected. For example so many candidates who claim to be interested in opera - and so easy to check. Or so many candidates who claim to be seriously interested in Linux or Android - no, only having installed some GNU/Linux distribution or having rooted your phone is not what I consider as serious interest. Or some guy who claimed that for altruistic reasons he developed some math training app for iOS for disabled pupils - but concealing that it had in-app purchase. If he had honestly claimed there was interest in entrepreneurship, this would have been no problem (surely even very positive). But since he claimed he did it just out of social conscience and concealed the in-app purchase, this was a central reason why the commission did not trust his integrity and decided against giving him the scholarship. Similar things also hold for job applications. Things will typically be checked in the job interview - especially if they are relevant for the job. So taking an example from one of the above articles: Don't claim that you apply because you are looking for new challenges if the honest reason is that you had trouble with the previous boss (the new employer can simply ask the old one if he suspects this reason). Also don't claim that you were on parental leave or travelling the world if you were unemployed at that time etc.
    - erikb 9y ago
      I honestly believe even many Germans don't know that, because I really never heard anybody saying something like this before. So thanks a lot, I certainly try to honor it now that I know it.
      - wolfgke 9y ago
        > I honestly believe even many Germans don't know that, because I really never heard anybody saying something like this before. I would rather say that at least for jobs it is so deeply ingrained in German culture that most German would not even consider that somewhere else such a behavior is tolerated.
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    Are you serious..? That's pretty bad.
totalZero 9y ago
If I were a potential employer and I found out that you posted something saying that dishonest CV writing is a nearly ubiquitous phenomenon, I would never hire you..... maybe you should not leave this comment up, if there's a chance that people in your professional sphere know your HN username. Just my suggestion.
ptorrone 9y ago
"visionary CEO" ? here is an overview. https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/08/02/arduino-federico-musto-will-pursue-other-opportunities-outside-arduino-freearduino/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/08/02/arduino-federico-musto-...

by erikb 9y ago

mikeash 9y ago

The guy claimed to have a PhD from MIT and an MBA from NYU, when he never even went to either school. Are you defending that on the basis that everyone lies on their resume?

wolfgke 9y ago

> Without a publicliy valid reason they just complained about the CV, a document which barely ever is 100% honest. At least in Germany lying in the CV is considered as a very serious issue. What you called "barely 100% correct" would thus probably be called "fraud" in Germany.

erikb 9y ago
Can you be more specific? This is the first time I hear someone say that. I'm educated to individually write CVs for each company related to what they need. I never needed to provide any proof either.
- wolfgke 9y ago
  > Can you be more specific? Here are some articles about this topic (all in German): > http://hoesmann.eu/im-lebenslauf-gelogen-was-sind-die-juristischen-folgen/ http://hoesmann.eu/im-lebenslauf-gelogen-was-sind-die-jurist... > https://arbeitgeber.monster.de/hr/personal-tipps/rekrutierung-verguetung/bewerberauswahl/frisierte-bewerbungen-entlarven-74644.aspx https://arbeitgeber.monster.de/hr/personal-tipps/rekrutierun... > http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/luegen-bei-der-bewerbung-das-droht-bei-lebenslauf-manipulation-a-1041634.html http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/luegen-bei-der-bewerbung-das-... > https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/karriere/tipps/article13495184/Wie-Arbeitgeber-Blender-und-Aufschneider-entlarven.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/karriere/tipps/article1349518... Principally if a lie in your CV is uncovered, you can immediately be fired (even if it was not fraud in the legal sense; being a relevant reason to give you the job suffices), even if you worked for years in the company. So be honest. > I'm educated to individually write CVs for each company related to what they need. I am not a native English speaker - so I am not sure what you are trying to say here. > I never needed to provide any proof either. Some time ago as a sick leave cover I was in a commission for a rather prestigious academic scholarship for students. I had a lot of exaggerations and concealments in the application forms and CVs to uncover. If someone uncovered such one in the selection interview, you could be sure that the candidate would not be selected. For example so many candidates who claim to be interested in opera - and so easy to check. Or so many candidates who claim to be seriously interested in Linux or Android - no, only having installed some GNU/Linux distribution or having rooted your phone is not what I consider as serious interest. Or some guy who claimed that for altruistic reasons he developed some math training app for iOS for disabled pupils - but concealing that it had in-app purchase. If he had honestly claimed there was interest in entrepreneurship, this would have been no problem (surely even very positive). But since he claimed he did it just out of social conscience and concealed the in-app purchase, this was a central reason why the commission did not trust his integrity and decided against giving him the scholarship. Similar things also hold for job applications. Things will typically be checked in the job interview - especially if they are relevant for the job. So taking an example from one of the above articles: Don't claim that you apply because you are looking for new challenges if the honest reason is that you had trouble with the previous boss (the new employer can simply ask the old one if he suspects this reason). Also don't claim that you were on parental leave or travelling the world if you were unemployed at that time etc.
  - erikb 9y ago
    I honestly believe even many Germans don't know that, because I really never heard anybody saying something like this before. So thanks a lot, I certainly try to honor it now that I know it.
    - wolfgke 9y ago
      > I honestly believe even many Germans don't know that, because I really never heard anybody saying something like this before. I would rather say that at least for jobs it is so deeply ingrained in German culture that most German would not even consider that somewhere else such a behavior is tolerated.
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  Are you serious..? That's pretty bad.

totalZero 9y ago

If I were a potential employer and I found out that you posted something saying that dishonest CV writing is a nearly ubiquitous phenomenon, I would never hire you..... maybe you should not leave this comment up, if there's a chance that people in your professional sphere know your HN username. Just my suggestion.

ptorrone 9y ago

"visionary CEO" ? here is an overview. https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/08/02/arduino-federico-musto-will-pursue-other-opportunities-outside-arduino-freearduino/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/08/02/arduino-federico-musto-...