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So his ideas could radicalize us here? Is this what you think? Like ISIS propaganda? He did math too. Do you want to ban math here also?

by aluhut 9y ago

timwaagh 9y ago
terrorism is sort of like speading your ideas by inflicting violence to make headlines. i would not want such tactics to be rewarded in any way. i believe in arguing for your ideas without the use of violence to 'market' them. I would not like to endorse a math publication written by a terrorist. but in addition, this document explicitly references the violence he inflicted on his victim.
- aluhut 9y ago
  Many people back then read his manifesto. However even then there was no wave of terror based on his core writings and the most radical ones are still popular on conspiracy boards. Still nobody is getting radicalized by it. This is not a conspiracy board here. People here would me the enemies of this guy and we all see that he was wrong now. So what are you afraid of?
  - timwaagh 9y ago
    maybe some moderator of such a site sees this and perhaps bans such content on his site as well. all we can do is set the right example.
    - aluhut 9y ago
      I wonder. Are you aware that such talk fuels those people?
- _jal 9y ago
  I don't like this argument. Blindly attempting to suppress writings because of the actions of the author, if it worked, might serve to devalue violence as marketing, but it is never going to keep words from the true believers, who will just overvalue them because they're suppressed. It also damages our ability to discuss the complaints voiced. Like it or not, some ideas that in the past have been promoted via violence turned out to be correct. Finally, history is important. This, I hope, needs no explanation.
michaelt 9y ago
I believe the fear is giving attention to people who do things we don't like is a reward, creating bad incentives. Same reason suicide charities discourage newspapers from reporting the contents of suicide notes.
josinalvo 9y ago
The argument is that we should not reward terrorism or further incentivise it. If you want to discuss this "math" of yours, bring it from a source that does not amplify the signal by killing people.
- josinalvo 9y ago
  > this "math" of yours (this is a joke, but the point is reasonable)
- aluhut 9y ago
  I don't feel it amplified anything in me. How is it that you have such strong feelings about it? We also read excerpts of Mein Kampf at school. I did not have the feeling I needed to kill Jews afterwards. Maybe the text is not the problem here?

So his ideas could radicalize us here? Is this what you think? Like ISIS propaganda? He did math too. Do you want to ban math here also?

by aluhut 9y ago

So his ideas could radicalize us here? Is this what you think? Like ISIS propaganda? He did math too. Do you want to ban math here also?

timwaagh 9y ago

terrorism is sort of like speading your ideas by inflicting violence to make headlines. i would not want such tactics to be rewarded in any way. i believe in arguing for your ideas without the use of violence to 'market' them. I would not like to endorse a math publication written by a terrorist. but in addition, this document explicitly references the violence he inflicted on his victim.

aluhut 9y ago
Many people back then read his manifesto. However even then there was no wave of terror based on his core writings and the most radical ones are still popular on conspiracy boards. Still nobody is getting radicalized by it. This is not a conspiracy board here. People here would me the enemies of this guy and we all see that he was wrong now. So what are you afraid of?
- timwaagh 9y ago
  maybe some moderator of such a site sees this and perhaps bans such content on his site as well. all we can do is set the right example.
  - aluhut 9y ago
    I wonder. Are you aware that such talk fuels those people?
_jal 9y ago
I don't like this argument. Blindly attempting to suppress writings because of the actions of the author, if it worked, might serve to devalue violence as marketing, but it is never going to keep words from the true believers, who will just overvalue them because they're suppressed. It also damages our ability to discuss the complaints voiced. Like it or not, some ideas that in the past have been promoted via violence turned out to be correct. Finally, history is important. This, I hope, needs no explanation.

michaelt 9y ago

I believe the fear is giving attention to people who do things we don't like is a reward, creating bad incentives. Same reason suicide charities discourage newspapers from reporting the contents of suicide notes.

josinalvo 9y ago

The argument is that we should not reward terrorism or further incentivise it. If you want to discuss this "math" of yours, bring it from a source that does not amplify the signal by killing people.

josinalvo 9y ago
> this "math" of yours (this is a joke, but the point is reasonable)
aluhut 9y ago
I don't feel it amplified anything in me. How is it that you have such strong feelings about it? We also read excerpts of Mein Kampf at school. I did not have the feeling I needed to kill Jews afterwards. Maybe the text is not the problem here?