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Welcome to the United Socialism of America. Europeans have been "enjoying" this kind of skinning every year now. I don't remember, why did you guys vote Obama

by nickpp 16y ago

Welcome to the United Socialism of America. Europeans have been "enjoying" this kind of skinning every year now. I don't remember, why did you guys vote Obama again? :)

mberning 16y ago
The major difference being that Europeans 'enjoy' some benefits of paying higher tax, such as free healthcare, while I will most likely see no benefits.
- nickpp 16y ago
  There is nothing to enjoy when given by a government. Nothing. Ever. Being at the mercy of nanny states is horrible. "Free" health care ain't free. You pay through the nose in taxes and in lost time. And even then, I usually fly to other countries (US) and pay full price for specialized interventions. Because with the "free" health care you ca lose your life. It's free and you get your money's worth.
- abrown28 16y ago
  The "benefit" of free health care is the removal of choices. I like having no choices.
btmorex 16y ago
Well, many of us consider paying taxes a civic duty. We actually value the services that the government provides and are willing to pay for them. Even if you don't though, I think you could make a strong argument to vote Democrat purely on how terribly the Republicans run the country.
- CWuestefeld 16y ago
  The one thing I'm grateful for is that I don't get the amount of government I pay for.
GFischer 16y ago
Because the wrong lizard might get in? * http://wso.williams.edu/~rcarson/lizards.html http://wso.williams.edu/~rcarson/lizards.html
nickpp 16y ago
I wonder, from all down voters: is there among you a single business owner who will be impacted by this? Or you're all in the peanut gallery happy to pay with somebody else's money but never actually understanding what it takes to be a business owner in this world? Cause it seems a pretty strong democrat bias in what should be an entrepreneur's forum. And one should have one's head pretty far up one's... bias to ignore the signs you country is becoming less and less business-friendly and more and momre of a welfare state.
- davidw 16y ago
  Some of us just don't want to see here ANY politics here.
  - nickpp 16y ago
    I can understand that, but that means you don't want any business either, because the two of them are strongly coupled...
- hugh3 16y ago
  There are many borderline-political comments in this thread which are upvoted, yours just crosses the line a bit into overly-political flamewar provocation. So I downvoted you even though I totally agree with you.
theBobMcCormick 16y ago
Is becoming more like Europe supposed to be a bad thing? Most of Europe seems like a nice place to live and raise a family. Can you recommend a "role model" country from the opposite end of the taxes and services spectrum? IE, a "low taxes, low regulation" country that's an attractive place for a non-wealthy person to live and raise a family? I'm not being snarky, I'm actually curious. I look at western Europe and by and large I see clean, pleasant cities with low crime, lots of parks, museums and other amenities. In short, nice places to live. I don't know that has anything to do with their "high" tax rates and "socialist" leanings, but I suspect it might.

by nickpp 16y ago

Welcome to the United Socialism of America. Europeans have been "enjoying" this kind of skinning every year now. I don't remember, why did you guys vote Obama again? :)

mberning 16y ago

The major difference being that Europeans 'enjoy' some benefits of paying higher tax, such as free healthcare, while I will most likely see no benefits.

nickpp 16y ago
There is nothing to enjoy when given by a government. Nothing. Ever. Being at the mercy of nanny states is horrible. "Free" health care ain't free. You pay through the nose in taxes and in lost time. And even then, I usually fly to other countries (US) and pay full price for specialized interventions. Because with the "free" health care you ca lose your life. It's free and you get your money's worth.
abrown28 16y ago
The "benefit" of free health care is the removal of choices. I like having no choices.

btmorex 16y ago

Well, many of us consider paying taxes a civic duty. We actually value the services that the government provides and are willing to pay for them. Even if you don't though, I think you could make a strong argument to vote Democrat purely on how terribly the Republicans run the country.

CWuestefeld 16y ago
The one thing I'm grateful for is that I don't get the amount of government I pay for.

GFischer 16y ago

Because the wrong lizard might get in? * http://wso.williams.edu/~rcarson/lizards.html http://wso.williams.edu/~rcarson/lizards.html

nickpp 16y ago

I wonder, from all down voters: is there among you a single business owner who will be impacted by this? Or you're all in the peanut gallery happy to pay with somebody else's money but never actually understanding what it takes to be a business owner in this world? Cause it seems a pretty strong democrat bias in what should be an entrepreneur's forum. And one should have one's head pretty far up one's... bias to ignore the signs you country is becoming less and less business-friendly and more and momre of a welfare state.

davidw 16y ago
Some of us just don't want to see here ANY politics here.
- nickpp 16y ago
  I can understand that, but that means you don't want any business either, because the two of them are strongly coupled...
hugh3 16y ago
There are many borderline-political comments in this thread which are upvoted, yours just crosses the line a bit into overly-political flamewar provocation. So I downvoted you even though I totally agree with you.

theBobMcCormick 16y ago

Is becoming more like Europe supposed to be a bad thing? Most of Europe seems like a nice place to live and raise a family. Can you recommend a "role model" country from the opposite end of the taxes and services spectrum? IE, a "low taxes, low regulation" country that's an attractive place for a non-wealthy person to live and raise a family? I'm not being snarky, I'm actually curious. I look at western Europe and by and large I see clean, pleasant cities with low crime, lots of parks, museums and other amenities. In short, nice places to live. I don't know that has anything to do with their "high" tax rates and "socialist" leanings, but I suspect it might.