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I think making it about race just creates more division and is really really dumb. Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic

I think making it about race just creates more division and is really really dumb. Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic factors such as extraneous circumstances, health, etc. Race should have no impact except in extraneous circumstances in rare cases

thaumasiotes 9y ago
> Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic factors such as extraneous circumstances, health, etc. Why?
- babesh 9y ago
  Opportunity is not even: a classmate prepared for classes by studying the material in the summer. Some classmates took SAT classes. On the flip side, a classmate had trouble studying because he had no quiet place to study at home. In my college, at least differences in opportunity were somewhat recognized resulting in release of all old tests instead of it being hoarded by HKN, a quiet place to study for everyone, and financial aid so that a student wouldn’t have to take basically a full time job to pay for school. We need to ensure opportunity all along the educational path. The current US system is blindingly obviously tilted.
  - babesh 9y ago
    I do agree that opportunity wasn’t specific to race but there was obviously correlation just as there is correlation between race and income.
  - thaumasiotes 9y ago
    And when I turn in a bad year of work because my two sisters-in-law and their eight children have moved into my home, should my performance review reflect that, or should it be normed for my circumstances?
    - babesh 9y ago
      I didn’t say anything about norming performance. I just said that there should be equality of opportunity. Edit: I also said that there isn’t equality of opportunity for education in the US.
      - thaumasiotes 9y ago
        Normalizing test scores is norming performance. They're not different.
        babesh 9y ago
        I didn’t say norming test scores either. I said norming opportunity. Quote where I said that.
        thaumasiotes 9y ago
        I quoted it in my first comment: > Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic factors such as extraneous circumstances, health, etc. Did you want to refer to hypothetical admission scores? There used to be US colleges that admitted on a points system (and some very low-prestige ones still do), but they've stopped doing that since giving objective points based on race was ruled illegal for public schools.
        babesh 9y ago
        That wasn’t my post!!!!!! How many times do I have to repeat myself?
        thaumasiotes 9y ago
        Fair enough. You responded to the question "Why should scores be normed?"; I think it's fair to interpret that as providing a reason, in your own mind, that scores should be normed. If you don't want "because" read into your answer to "why?", you need to bring up the fact that your comment is not intended as a response to its parent. > How many times do I have to repeat myself? Not as many times as you seem to want to. Why post three separate replies, all saying the same thing, within five minutes of each other?

thaumasiotes 9y ago

> Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic factors such as extraneous circumstances, health, etc. Why?

babesh 9y ago
Opportunity is not even: a classmate prepared for classes by studying the material in the summer. Some classmates took SAT classes. On the flip side, a classmate had trouble studying because he had no quiet place to study at home. In my college, at least differences in opportunity were somewhat recognized resulting in release of all old tests instead of it being hoarded by HKN, a quiet place to study for everyone, and financial aid so that a student wouldn’t have to take basically a full time job to pay for school. We need to ensure opportunity all along the educational path. The current US system is blindingly obviously tilted.
- babesh 9y ago
  I do agree that opportunity wasn’t specific to race but there was obviously correlation just as there is correlation between race and income.
- thaumasiotes 9y ago
  And when I turn in a bad year of work because my two sisters-in-law and their eight children have moved into my home, should my performance review reflect that, or should it be normed for my circumstances?
  - babesh 9y ago
    I didn’t say anything about norming performance. I just said that there should be equality of opportunity. Edit: I also said that there isn’t equality of opportunity for education in the US.
    - thaumasiotes 9y ago
      Normalizing test scores is norming performance. They're not different.
      - babesh 9y ago
        I didn’t say norming test scores either. I said norming opportunity. Quote where I said that.
        thaumasiotes 9y ago
        I quoted it in my first comment: > Scores should be normalized by income, stability of household, then holistic factors such as extraneous circumstances, health, etc. Did you want to refer to hypothetical admission scores? There used to be US colleges that admitted on a points system (and some very low-prestige ones still do), but they've stopped doing that since giving objective points based on race was ruled illegal for public schools.
        babesh 9y ago
        That wasn’t my post!!!!!! How many times do I have to repeat myself?
        thaumasiotes 9y ago
        Fair enough. You responded to the question "Why should scores be normed?"; I think it's fair to interpret that as providing a reason, in your own mind, that scores should be normed. If you don't want "because" read into your answer to "why?", you need to bring up the fact that your comment is not intended as a response to its parent. > How many times do I have to repeat myself? Not as many times as you seem to want to. Why post three separate replies, all saying the same thing, within five minutes of each other?