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Their "soy leghemoglobin" doesn't come from soy though. It comes from GMO Algae. Presumably they could reprogram that algae to produce a different hemoglobin-li

by cbhl 9y ago

Their "soy leghemoglobin" doesn't come from soy though. It comes from GMO Algae. Presumably they could reprogram that algae to produce a different hemoglobin-like molecule.

concinds 9y ago
Check the ingredients list: >Full Ingredient List: >Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (soy), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12. >Contains: >Soy, Wheat This contains soy. My comment stands.
- cbhl 9y ago
  Those labels are because the compounds could trigger a soy allergy, because, y'know, they're chemically identical. Notice that all the "soy" falls in the "2% or less of" bucket. This is not the same as a soy burger. Have you eaten one?
  - concinds 9y ago
    When did I say this was a 100% soy burger? > Those labels are because the compounds could trigger a soy allergy ...because it contains soy, which has negative effects on fertility. That was my whole point. So why change the subject?
    - acchow 9y ago
      At what quantities does soy have negative effects on fertility?
      - PretzelPirate 9y ago
        According to the study, it seems that consuming regular really only impacted men who were overweight or obese. I'd be interested in understanding if this really had something to do with the men being overweight and something they were previously eating was causing their sperm count to be abnormally high for their level of health. From https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898/Soy-food-and-isoflavone-intake-in-relation-to#56144213 https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898/S...: This association was stronger at the higher end of the sperm concentration distribution suggesting that soy food intake may have stronger associations among men with normal or high sperm concentrations than among men with low sperm concentration. Also, soy food intake was more strongly inversely related to sperm concentration among overweight and obese men. Intake of soy foods or isoflavones was unrelated to the remaining semen analysis parameters examined.
- Danihan 9y ago
  I love how highly, highly processed foods are suddenly A-OK to many people here once it's a fake meat product. >But high-temperature processing has the unfortunate side effect of so denaturing the other proteins in soy that they are rendered largely ineffective.23 That's why animals on soy feed need lysine supplements for normal growth. >Nitrites, which are potent carcinogens, are formed during spray-drying, and a toxin called lysinoalanine is formed during alkaline processing.24 Numerous artificial flavorings, particularly MSG, are added to soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein products to mask their strong "beany" taste and to impart the flavor of meat.25 >In feeding experiments, the use of SPI increased requirements for vitamins E, K, D, and B12 and created deficiency symptoms of calcium, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, copper, iron, and zinc.26 Phytic acid remaining in these soy products greatly inhibits zinc and iron absorption; test animals fed SPI develop enlarged organs, particularly the pancreas and thyroid gland, and increased deposition of fatty acids in the liver.27 http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm I shouldn't even have to post about "Textured Wheat Protein" but it's essentially another denatured protein, one that is completely doused in glyphosate right before harvest.. Check out the chart on page two... http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf These "vegan" foods are nowhere near healthy.
  - empath75 9y ago
    Yeah, I'd love lab grown meat, but I wouldn't eat this. It looks terrible for you.
  - chipotle_coyote 9y ago
    There's no gentle way to make the complaint about I'm about to: going to Mercola.com for good health science is roughly equivalent to referring to the Flat Earth Society for good GPS algorithms. Joe Mercola has developed a multimillion dollar business which is essentially built on telling his audience that everything in the world is poisonous unless he sells it to them. When I say he's one of the folks who believe that fluoridation is a nefarious government conspiracy, I am not kidding. He also believes coffee enemas will fight cancer. Again, I am not making this up. There's conflicting evidence about soy's health benefits, which is a sentence that is, generally speaking, just as true after a "s/soy/any_damn_food" operation. Nitrites are highly toxic in quantity, but in small quantity, they've been used in food processing since the Middle Ages. It's what you cure meat with. Most of the nitrites in your diet, though, are naturally occurring. And while no one claims MSG has massive health benefits, it's been extremely well established that it's harmless. It's just a salt. I'm sure Doc Mercola will tell me the decades of tests that show it's safe are simply a sign that every first world health agency is in the pocket of Big Umami, but y'know, color me skeptical.

by cbhl 9y ago

Their "soy leghemoglobin" doesn't come from soy though. It comes from GMO Algae. Presumably they could reprogram that algae to produce a different hemoglobin-like molecule.

concinds 9y ago

Check the ingredients list: >Full Ingredient List: >Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (soy), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12. >Contains: >Soy, Wheat This contains soy. My comment stands.

cbhl 9y ago
Those labels are because the compounds could trigger a soy allergy, because, y'know, they're chemically identical. Notice that all the "soy" falls in the "2% or less of" bucket. This is not the same as a soy burger. Have you eaten one?
- concinds 9y ago
  When did I say this was a 100% soy burger? > Those labels are because the compounds could trigger a soy allergy ...because it contains soy, which has negative effects on fertility. That was my whole point. So why change the subject?
  - acchow 9y ago
    At what quantities does soy have negative effects on fertility?
    - PretzelPirate 9y ago
      According to the study, it seems that consuming regular really only impacted men who were overweight or obese. I'd be interested in understanding if this really had something to do with the men being overweight and something they were previously eating was causing their sperm count to be abnormally high for their level of health. From https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898/Soy-food-and-isoflavone-intake-in-relation-to#56144213 https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/23/11/2584/2913898/S...: This association was stronger at the higher end of the sperm concentration distribution suggesting that soy food intake may have stronger associations among men with normal or high sperm concentrations than among men with low sperm concentration. Also, soy food intake was more strongly inversely related to sperm concentration among overweight and obese men. Intake of soy foods or isoflavones was unrelated to the remaining semen analysis parameters examined.
Danihan 9y ago
I love how highly, highly processed foods are suddenly A-OK to many people here once it's a fake meat product. >But high-temperature processing has the unfortunate side effect of so denaturing the other proteins in soy that they are rendered largely ineffective.23 That's why animals on soy feed need lysine supplements for normal growth. >Nitrites, which are potent carcinogens, are formed during spray-drying, and a toxin called lysinoalanine is formed during alkaline processing.24 Numerous artificial flavorings, particularly MSG, are added to soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein products to mask their strong "beany" taste and to impart the flavor of meat.25 >In feeding experiments, the use of SPI increased requirements for vitamins E, K, D, and B12 and created deficiency symptoms of calcium, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, copper, iron, and zinc.26 Phytic acid remaining in these soy products greatly inhibits zinc and iron absorption; test animals fed SPI develop enlarged organs, particularly the pancreas and thyroid gland, and increased deposition of fatty acids in the liver.27 http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm I shouldn't even have to post about "Textured Wheat Protein" but it's essentially another denatured protein, one that is completely doused in glyphosate right before harvest.. Check out the chart on page two... http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf These "vegan" foods are nowhere near healthy.
- empath75 9y ago
  Yeah, I'd love lab grown meat, but I wouldn't eat this. It looks terrible for you.
- chipotle_coyote 9y ago
  There's no gentle way to make the complaint about I'm about to: going to Mercola.com for good health science is roughly equivalent to referring to the Flat Earth Society for good GPS algorithms. Joe Mercola has developed a multimillion dollar business which is essentially built on telling his audience that everything in the world is poisonous unless he sells it to them. When I say he's one of the folks who believe that fluoridation is a nefarious government conspiracy, I am not kidding. He also believes coffee enemas will fight cancer. Again, I am not making this up. There's conflicting evidence about soy's health benefits, which is a sentence that is, generally speaking, just as true after a "s/soy/any_damn_food" operation. Nitrites are highly toxic in quantity, but in small quantity, they've been used in food processing since the Middle Ages. It's what you cure meat with. Most of the nitrites in your diet, though, are naturally occurring. And while no one claims MSG has massive health benefits, it's been extremely well established that it's harmless. It's just a salt. I'm sure Doc Mercola will tell me the decades of tests that show it's safe are simply a sign that every first world health agency is in the pocket of Big Umami, but y'know, color me skeptical.