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> Climate policy advocates’ apocalyptic vision demands serious analysis, and mushy thinking undermines their case. If carbon emissions pose the greatest threat

> Climate policy advocates’ apocalyptic vision demands serious analysis, and mushy thinking undermines their case. If carbon emissions pose the greatest threat to humanity, it follows that the costs of nuclear power—waste disposal and the occasional meltdown—might be bearable. It follows that the costs of genetically modified foods and modern pesticides, which can feed us with less land and lower carbon emissions, might be bearable. It follows that if the future of civilization is really at stake, adaptation or geo-engineering should not be unmentionable. And it follows that symbolic, ineffective, political grab-bag policies should be intolerable. If climate change alarmists truly believed what they were saying, they wouldn't be using smartphones, internet or driving SUVs. The climate change movement is nothing but globalists and the "clean" energy industry exploiting the environmental fanatics to get more grants/money for themselves. The climate change movement is really the globalist "carbon energy/tax movement". It's a way for the political elite to control world energy use and energy production. Just like the "priests" of olden times used the threat of "earthquakes/natural disasters" to dupe the masses into doing their bidding ( virgin sacrifices, building monuments, etc ), the globalists are using climate change as a scare mongering tactic to put the world's energy/industry/etc under their control. If truly the crazy climate predictions are true and humanity's existence was at stake, would we stop mass production of trucks, SUVs? Wouldn't we immediately stop international trade and air travel. After all, container ships are the largest producers of carbon pollution.

hwillis 9y ago
>If climate change alarmists truly believed what they were saying, they wouldn't be using smartphones, internet or driving SUVs. Nearly all CO2 emissions in the US come from heat, electricity, and transportation. "Climate alarmists" drive hybrids or electric cars and have solar panels and heat pumps. The internet and smartphones are totally besides the point. Not to mention that you're inventing a strawman. >The climate change movement is nothing but globalists and the "clean" energy industry exploiting the environmental fanatics to get more grants/money for themselves. ugh, just... fuck off. "globalists". You're a fucking conspiracy hound. >The climate change movement is really the globalist "carbon energy/tax movement". It's a way for the political elite to control world energy use and energy production. idiot >Just like the "priests" of olden times used the threat of "earthquakes/natural disasters" to dupe the masses into doing their bidding ( virgin sacrifices, building monuments, etc ), the globalists are using climate change as a scare mongering tactic to put the world's energy/industry/etc under their control. go away >If truly the crazy climate predictions are true and humanity's existence was at stake, would we stop mass production of trucks, SUVs? Wouldn't we immediately stop international trade and air travel. truth has very little to do with what people believe. I'm sure you agree with that >After all, container ships are the largest producers of carbon pollution. Idiot. It's 2.2% of carbon emissions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shipping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shippi... You seriously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about at any level. You have made your conclusions and taken zero steps to verify them. Start here: http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/
- awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
  > "Climate alarmists" drive hybrids or electric cars and have solar panels and heat pumps. Except that hybrids, electric cars requires tons of CO2 pollution to create. Not to mention that climate alarmists like dicaprio fly on private jets and have huge mansions/yachts/etc. But that's not my point? If truly, we are at a human extinction level, why are climate alarmists even driving hybrids/electic cars? Why are they even using solar panels? Shouldn't they give up all these luxuries to save the human species? > ugh, just... fuck off. "globalists". You're a fucking conspiracy hound. No need for that. If you want to discuss this, then fine. If you are going to toss around insults, then I won't respond any further. And it isn't a "conspiracy". It is a FACT. To put the entire carbon/energy system under global centralized control. > truth has very little to do with what people believe. I'm sure you agree with that Yes. And the truth is that the alarmists have been proven wrong OVER AND OVER again. The climate change people are no different than the peak oil fanatics. > Idiot. It's 2.2% of carbon emissions: The fact that you have to resort to ad hominems shows you have no argument. And 2.2% ANNUAL emission is significant. > You seriously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about at any level. You have made your conclusions and taken zero steps to verify them. I'm sure you do. Feel free to run around screaming that the world is going to end. Why are you using the internet or a computer? The world is going to end right? Shouldn't you do your part and try to prevent it? And I'm the "conspiracist" right?
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    Except that hybrids, electric cars requires tons of CO2 pollution to create. As do regular cars. If you're asserting that hybrids require far more emissions to create than gas-powered equivalents, and that that this excess exceeds the pollution saving over their operating lifetime, then cite your sources. Because otherwise it would still be a good idea.
    - awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
      >As do regular cars. Yes. That's my point. If truly we are facing human extinction, shouldn't we ban even EV/hybrids? You would think all these alarmists claiming end of the world wouldn't be driving ANYTHING.
anigbrowl 9y ago
It's a way for the political elite to control world energy use and energy production. Like energy production and other sectors of the global economy aren't already under the control of elites.
- awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
  Not on a global scale. The elites control national/regional. China controls theirs. Russia controls their. EU theirs. We control ours. That isn't global.

hwillis 9y ago

>If climate change alarmists truly believed what they were saying, they wouldn't be using smartphones, internet or driving SUVs. Nearly all CO2 emissions in the US come from heat, electricity, and transportation. "Climate alarmists" drive hybrids or electric cars and have solar panels and heat pumps. The internet and smartphones are totally besides the point. Not to mention that you're inventing a strawman. >The climate change movement is nothing but globalists and the "clean" energy industry exploiting the environmental fanatics to get more grants/money for themselves. ugh, just... fuck off. "globalists". You're a fucking conspiracy hound. >The climate change movement is really the globalist "carbon energy/tax movement". It's a way for the political elite to control world energy use and energy production. idiot >Just like the "priests" of olden times used the threat of "earthquakes/natural disasters" to dupe the masses into doing their bidding ( virgin sacrifices, building monuments, etc ), the globalists are using climate change as a scare mongering tactic to put the world's energy/industry/etc under their control. go away >If truly the crazy climate predictions are true and humanity's existence was at stake, would we stop mass production of trucks, SUVs? Wouldn't we immediately stop international trade and air travel. truth has very little to do with what people believe. I'm sure you agree with that >After all, container ships are the largest producers of carbon pollution. Idiot. It's 2.2% of carbon emissions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shipping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shippi... You seriously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about at any level. You have made your conclusions and taken zero steps to verify them. Start here: http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/

awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
> "Climate alarmists" drive hybrids or electric cars and have solar panels and heat pumps. Except that hybrids, electric cars requires tons of CO2 pollution to create. Not to mention that climate alarmists like dicaprio fly on private jets and have huge mansions/yachts/etc. But that's not my point? If truly, we are at a human extinction level, why are climate alarmists even driving hybrids/electic cars? Why are they even using solar panels? Shouldn't they give up all these luxuries to save the human species? > ugh, just... fuck off. "globalists". You're a fucking conspiracy hound. No need for that. If you want to discuss this, then fine. If you are going to toss around insults, then I won't respond any further. And it isn't a "conspiracy". It is a FACT. To put the entire carbon/energy system under global centralized control. > truth has very little to do with what people believe. I'm sure you agree with that Yes. And the truth is that the alarmists have been proven wrong OVER AND OVER again. The climate change people are no different than the peak oil fanatics. > Idiot. It's 2.2% of carbon emissions: The fact that you have to resort to ad hominems shows you have no argument. And 2.2% ANNUAL emission is significant. > You seriously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about at any level. You have made your conclusions and taken zero steps to verify them. I'm sure you do. Feel free to run around screaming that the world is going to end. Why are you using the internet or a computer? The world is going to end right? Shouldn't you do your part and try to prevent it? And I'm the "conspiracist" right?
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  Except that hybrids, electric cars requires tons of CO2 pollution to create. As do regular cars. If you're asserting that hybrids require far more emissions to create than gas-powered equivalents, and that that this excess exceeds the pollution saving over their operating lifetime, then cite your sources. Because otherwise it would still be a good idea.
  - awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
    >As do regular cars. Yes. That's my point. If truly we are facing human extinction, shouldn't we ban even EV/hybrids? You would think all these alarmists claiming end of the world wouldn't be driving ANYTHING.

anigbrowl 9y ago

It's a way for the political elite to control world energy use and energy production. Like energy production and other sectors of the global economy aren't already under the control of elites.

awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
Not on a global scale. The elites control national/regional. China controls theirs. Russia controls their. EU theirs. We control ours. That isn't global.