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Prepare to get downvoted. People can't stand being led to face the stories they tell themselves to sleep at night when they say one thing and do another. Most

• jorvi 9y ago
  Or rather, there's a certain comfort people won't let go, and rightly so? If people shouldn't eat meat, should they not: Use plastics Use car travel Use air travel Use some types of medicine Use animal products (goodbye dress shoes, tons of food like eggs and pudding etc.) etc. etc. For everyone, at a certain point it becomes too much of an effort to deal with. They don't have the time, money or both. Who are you to decide where that line should be drawn?
  • spodek 9y ago
    > Who are you to decide where that line should be drawn? The law regulates behavior that affects others. As they say, you're free to put your fist where you want, but not when it hits my nose. If you pollute your home, that's your business. Polluting everyone else's world seems to open your behavior to regulation.
  • thanksforcoming 9y ago
    It's important to recognize the very real impacts that our own individual consumptions and habits have on the world around us. And I believe that everyone has a moral obligation to minimize that impact as much as feasible. The reality is that there's an unpaid cost for many consumer goods in order to produce them at scale and at an affordable rate. Sometimes I feel that by partaking in this system you're implicitly perpetuating it. While it is difficult to give up those comforts & luxuries that we're accustomed to, humans have been around a long time without them, so we can get by without them too.
    • AstralStorm 9y ago
      The problem with this line is how expensive writing a system can sometimes be. Suppose you have a simple problem of not wanting to subsidise exploitative practices in footed of coffee making. Now you have a solution that involves certification and trust or the other that involves growing your own coffee. The former has already been gamed multiple times. And growing coffee personally is not easy in most countries, neither is finding suppliers that adhere to your rules.
  • cannonedhamster 9y ago
    The following are rebuttals that apply only to Americans but might also be valid elsewhere. 1. Plastics can be made biodegradable and from plant sources, and already are in a wide number of products. 2. There's already disincentive to waste fuel as it costs more, add to that an obvious demand for electric cars, I'd say people already are looking to do this. 3. Let's be honest there are far more pressing issues with air travel than the environment. 4. Yeah, this one sucks, contact lenses too. 5. There are stylish vegan dress shoes, as well as cheap dress shoes made without animal products. Both are easy to find. Unless you're vegan there's nothing wrong with pudding. Jello, gummy bears, and a wide assortment of other yummies that use gelatin, however, you're out of luck, but you can still do Swedish Fish and Sour Patch Kids. I mean if we're talking about lines being drawn, we're the wealthiest country in the world, other parts of the world don't have a choice. You're right, of course, that everyone has their own point where it becomes too much but, shouldn't we be willing to be a little bit less lazy or stricter on pig farmers (the predominant producers of the toxicity problem). It's not just animal rights people and environmentalist this affects, it's causing algal blooms (Red Tide), killing off fishing industries in the Gulf, hurting the capacity of a huge natural CO2 sink, and lowering the property values of those around them. They've taken a communal resource and damaged it for everyone without recourse. Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
    • AstralStorm 9y ago
      With regards to 5, it happens that some of those vegan products are made in an even more polluting way than am original. How do you discern the bad apples?
• hyperdimension 9y ago
  I honestly got more bothered by your comment than the one you were replying to. Why did you have to phrase it in such a smug tone?