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People are taken in by this stuff. You don't have the Manchester suicide bombing without it. It's not an abstract issue, it actually happens.

sdoering 9y ago
Well. People got taken by lots of stuff over the centuries. Take the Bible for example. How many people got killed because of that book. Should we ban it?
- hyperion2010 9y ago
  Funny, the event that triggered the most brutal war in European history was actually the unbanning of the Bible.
  - emiliobumachar 9y ago
    Could you please elaborate? I did not get the reference.
    - naturalgradient 9y ago
      I think it refers to the 30 years war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War
      - hyperion2010 9y ago
        Yep!
        somecontext 9y ago
        Can you elaborate on "the unbanning of the Bible"? Thank you.
        hyperion2010 9y ago
        Under the Catholic Church the Bible was number one on the list of banned books ('The Index') and it was only written in Latin (vernacular translations were a capital offence) and the only people allowed to interpret it were the clergy. One of the core elements of the Reformation was the translation into vernacular of the Bible and the propagation of the idea that anyone could interpret it. The explosion of interpretations and beliefs during that period is often cited as one of the driving forces behind the viciousness of the wars of religions. (Apologies for not having citations on hand, this was mostly pulled from memory)
        AnonymousPlanet 9y ago
        The bible is written in Hebrew and Greek. Latin was the only officially accepted translation.
- deleted 9y ago
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- 0xdeadbeefbabe 9y ago
  People in Manchester died more recently.
- netdog 9y ago
  Bibles don't kill people. People kill people.
losteric 9y ago
To be blunt, many of those people were either mentally unstable or mentally deficient before they started reading ISIS... Social psychiatric help and better public education are also necessary tools in this battle.
- schrodinger 9y ago
  I want to believe that, but I'm not sure that's as commonly the case as we'd imagine. There are plenty of stories of regular people, raised in liberal western democracies, being taken in by the isis propaganda.
  - losteric 9y ago
    "Liberal western democracy" says little about education or psychiatric health funding. Look at the US, laughable and utterly embarrassing education standards and virtually non-existent social mental health treatment.
paganel 9y ago
Just last night I was watching a 1990s music video on YT of a Serbian soldier actually promoting the genocide against the Muslim Bosniaks. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0 . The lyrics actually say "let's bomb all the mosques". As far as I can tell this video was filmed before the Srebrenica massacre. So we've got a video promoting genocide (which I regard as worse than terrorism) of which no Google employee has anything to say.
- DanBC 9y ago
  Did you flag it?

sdoering 9y ago

Well. People got taken by lots of stuff over the centuries. Take the Bible for example. How many people got killed because of that book. Should we ban it?

hyperion2010 9y ago
Funny, the event that triggered the most brutal war in European history was actually the unbanning of the Bible.
- emiliobumachar 9y ago
  Could you please elaborate? I did not get the reference.
  - naturalgradient 9y ago
    I think it refers to the 30 years war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War
    - hyperion2010 9y ago
      Yep!
      - somecontext 9y ago
        Can you elaborate on "the unbanning of the Bible"? Thank you.
        hyperion2010 9y ago
        Under the Catholic Church the Bible was number one on the list of banned books ('The Index') and it was only written in Latin (vernacular translations were a capital offence) and the only people allowed to interpret it were the clergy. One of the core elements of the Reformation was the translation into vernacular of the Bible and the propagation of the idea that anyone could interpret it. The explosion of interpretations and beliefs during that period is often cited as one of the driving forces behind the viciousness of the wars of religions. (Apologies for not having citations on hand, this was mostly pulled from memory)
        AnonymousPlanet 9y ago
        The bible is written in Hebrew and Greek. Latin was the only officially accepted translation.
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0xdeadbeefbabe 9y ago
People in Manchester died more recently.
netdog 9y ago
Bibles don't kill people. People kill people.

losteric 9y ago

To be blunt, many of those people were either mentally unstable or mentally deficient before they started reading ISIS... Social psychiatric help and better public education are also necessary tools in this battle.

schrodinger 9y ago
I want to believe that, but I'm not sure that's as commonly the case as we'd imagine. There are plenty of stories of regular people, raised in liberal western democracies, being taken in by the isis propaganda.
- losteric 9y ago
  "Liberal western democracy" says little about education or psychiatric health funding. Look at the US, laughable and utterly embarrassing education standards and virtually non-existent social mental health treatment.

paganel 9y ago

Just last night I was watching a 1990s music video on YT of a Serbian soldier actually promoting the genocide against the Muslim Bosniaks. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0 . The lyrics actually say "let's bomb all the mosques". As far as I can tell this video was filmed before the Srebrenica massacre. So we've got a video promoting genocide (which I regard as worse than terrorism) of which no Google employee has anything to say.

DanBC 9y ago
Did you flag it?