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You are exactly the type of person I would hate to live next to, the type who moves to a city from the suburbs and tries to keep all the benefits of both. Citi

by pmcginn 16y ago

You are exactly the type of person I would hate to live next to, the type who moves to a city from the suburbs and tries to keep all the benefits of both. Cities are chaotic. Cities are loud. How about if you want peace and quiet, you move somewhere where they occur naturally, like the middle of nowhere?

yardie 16y ago
The same thing could be said of you. The type that moves from the suburbs and expects to have the benefits of both. Being able to be as loud as they want because no one can hear them in their single family home. When you're in the city you have neighbors. Some are there decades and the walls seperating you can be paper thing as far as sound travels. Cities can be loud during the day, but at night the businesses are closed and the residents are still there. Whether you are subletter, leasee, or owner keep in mind your neighbors can shut you down so be mindful of them as well. Anyway I don't like bills that restrict people's free will like this. But from the comments on NYT I see some people support it because they don't want their building treated like a hotel. If airbnb what this bill taken down they better do something fast because, although the hotel industry wrote it, it is gaining support amongst residents.
- benpbenp 16y ago
  > Anyway I don't like bills that restrict people's free will like this. Isn't the point of all legislation to restrict people's free will in one way or another? (Just a quibble; I realize this statement is not central to your comment.)
  - yardie 16y ago
    Well there are some freedoms that have to be denied for the greater good; disallowing strangling your obnoxious neighbor, flinging shit onto the street, dumping in rivers, or pedophilia. It's part and parcel of living in a "free" society. I give up some freedoms so that everyone and I can get along.
    - benpbenp 16y ago
      Yes, I agree -- my point was merely that in any case, it wouldn't make sense to argue against a bill on the basis that it takes away freedoms, since that is necessarily what any bill (with a few trivial exceptions) must do. (Of course you can argue against a bill on the basis that it takes away some freedom in particular, given, for example, that such freedom has been enshrined in a founding document, &c., &c.)
- pmcginn 16y ago
  I was rude to earl in my original post, and I apologize for that. I have no way to be sure what kind of neighbor he'd make, and I shouldn't draw conclusions from one post. I grew up mostly in the suburbs or in smaller cities (Columbus, Lexington), and I've lived my entire adult life in cities (New York first, Philadelphia now.) In my experience, which is limited to those two cities, I've found that the base level of noise is higher in the cities regardless of time. Trash trucks, ambulances, police cars, delivery trucks, drunks walking home, cabs cruising for fares, and tons of other noisy events occur at all times of day and with a greater frequency than I experienced in the suburbs. I overreacted to earl's post. I pictured him as the type of person who can't handle any late night noise, regardless of the day of week or the holiday associated. I pictured the kind of guy who won't sign the block party application, or who pins notes to your door or car. I lived by people like the one I describe, and I can't stand them. Maybe I'm unique--one of my first apartments was within a 1.5 block radius of a very active fire station, four bars, a liquor store, and a 24 hour gas station. You get used to noise pretty quick, or give up sleeping in environments like that. But, politically, I do have a point: I don't see why earl's right to be free from potentially noisy, short term neighbors should lead to legislation that will cripple an industry that hasn't had the time to find its legs. We're killing innovation by some to avoid possible annoyance of others. That doesn't seem like a fair trade, or a likely one. I doubt anyone paying to spend a few nights in earl's neighborhood is really there to throw a kegger and urinate in the hallway.
ant5 16y ago
Part of living in a city is exercising some basic decorum when it comes to living very close to a lot of people. When you play loud music until 2 am -- keeping your neighbor awake with a bass rumble that can be felt through the bed frame despite ear plugs that shouldn't be necessary in the first place -- you should remember that your neighbor might just have to work tomorrow. (It might be hard to fathom, but not everybody is a college student or an unmarried 23 year old, and some people even have to get to work early on the weekends -- myself included, during crunch times). If you can't handle treating other people living in the next room with basic courtesy, you should yourself seriously consider living in the suburbs. I sure wouldn't want to live next to you.
- eru 16y ago
  Can't you just call the police on the loud people?
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  - ant5 16y ago
    It makes for pretty bad neighborly relations, and they'll just behave worse the next time. The best approach is to mention it politely when you run into them in the hallways or out on the sidewalk. However, it's still pretty rare for inconsiderate people to grow up and show some consideration just because you ask. I've lived in cities for my entire adult life, and I find that choosing the right building and neighborhood is imperative. When I've had bad neighbors, it's rarely just one.
    - eru 16y ago
      Yes, it's no good for longer term neighbours. But nobody seems to have a problem with them. Or, rather, the discussion was about short term neighbours not behaving.
      - ant5 16y ago

by pmcginn 16y ago

yardie 16y ago

The same thing could be said of you. The type that moves from the suburbs and expects to have the benefits of both. Being able to be as loud as they want because no one can hear them in their single family home. When you're in the city you have neighbors. Some are there decades and the walls seperating you can be paper thing as far as sound travels. Cities can be loud during the day, but at night the businesses are closed and the residents are still there. Whether you are subletter, leasee, or owner keep in mind your neighbors can shut you down so be mindful of them as well. Anyway I don't like bills that restrict people's free will like this. But from the comments on NYT I see some people support it because they don't want their building treated like a hotel. If airbnb what this bill taken down they better do something fast because, although the hotel industry wrote it, it is gaining support amongst residents.

benpbenp 16y ago
> Anyway I don't like bills that restrict people's free will like this. Isn't the point of all legislation to restrict people's free will in one way or another? (Just a quibble; I realize this statement is not central to your comment.)
- yardie 16y ago
  Well there are some freedoms that have to be denied for the greater good; disallowing strangling your obnoxious neighbor, flinging shit onto the street, dumping in rivers, or pedophilia. It's part and parcel of living in a "free" society. I give up some freedoms so that everyone and I can get along.
  - benpbenp 16y ago
    Yes, I agree -- my point was merely that in any case, it wouldn't make sense to argue against a bill on the basis that it takes away freedoms, since that is necessarily what any bill (with a few trivial exceptions) must do. (Of course you can argue against a bill on the basis that it takes away some freedom in particular, given, for example, that such freedom has been enshrined in a founding document, &c., &c.)
pmcginn 16y ago
I was rude to earl in my original post, and I apologize for that. I have no way to be sure what kind of neighbor he'd make, and I shouldn't draw conclusions from one post. I grew up mostly in the suburbs or in smaller cities (Columbus, Lexington), and I've lived my entire adult life in cities (New York first, Philadelphia now.) In my experience, which is limited to those two cities, I've found that the base level of noise is higher in the cities regardless of time. Trash trucks, ambulances, police cars, delivery trucks, drunks walking home, cabs cruising for fares, and tons of other noisy events occur at all times of day and with a greater frequency than I experienced in the suburbs. I overreacted to earl's post. I pictured him as the type of person who can't handle any late night noise, regardless of the day of week or the holiday associated. I pictured the kind of guy who won't sign the block party application, or who pins notes to your door or car. I lived by people like the one I describe, and I can't stand them. Maybe I'm unique--one of my first apartments was within a 1.5 block radius of a very active fire station, four bars, a liquor store, and a 24 hour gas station. You get used to noise pretty quick, or give up sleeping in environments like that. But, politically, I do have a point: I don't see why earl's right to be free from potentially noisy, short term neighbors should lead to legislation that will cripple an industry that hasn't had the time to find its legs. We're killing innovation by some to avoid possible annoyance of others. That doesn't seem like a fair trade, or a likely one. I doubt anyone paying to spend a few nights in earl's neighborhood is really there to throw a kegger and urinate in the hallway.

ant5 16y ago

Part of living in a city is exercising some basic decorum when it comes to living very close to a lot of people. When you play loud music until 2 am -- keeping your neighbor awake with a bass rumble that can be felt through the bed frame despite ear plugs that shouldn't be necessary in the first place -- you should remember that your neighbor might just have to work tomorrow. (It might be hard to fathom, but not everybody is a college student or an unmarried 23 year old, and some people even have to get to work early on the weekends -- myself included, during crunch times). If you can't handle treating other people living in the next room with basic courtesy, you should yourself seriously consider living in the suburbs. I sure wouldn't want to live next to you.

eru 16y ago
Can't you just call the police on the loud people?
- deleted 16y ago
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- ant5 16y ago
  It makes for pretty bad neighborly relations, and they'll just behave worse the next time. The best approach is to mention it politely when you run into them in the hallways or out on the sidewalk. However, it's still pretty rare for inconsiderate people to grow up and show some consideration just because you ask. I've lived in cities for my entire adult life, and I find that choosing the right building and neighborhood is imperative. When I've had bad neighbors, it's rarely just one.
  - eru 16y ago
    Yes, it's no good for longer term neighbours. But nobody seems to have a problem with them. Or, rather, the discussion was about short term neighbours not behaving.
    - ant5 16y ago