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My fantasy: they negotiate a deal, and then put it to a referendum with choices of Deal, No Deal, and "Please let us back in", having secretly arranged with top

My fantasy: they negotiate a deal, and then put it to a referendum with choices of Deal, No Deal, and "Please let us back in", having secretly arranged with top EU players about re-entry. Not going to happen, but a boy can dream.

struppi 9y ago
IIRC, the EU already hinted that they would allow stopping the Brexit-Process, even though this should be impossible according to Article 50. And they also said they would fast-track an application of the UK, if they applied for membership after leaving. But I guess, from the EU's perspective, you would need approval of all member states for both, which is incredibly hard to get these days. And the current UK government probably does not see any of these 2 as an option...
- pricechild 9y ago
  Do you have any sources that reversing article 50 "should be impossible"? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39291512 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39291512 seems to give a good spread of opinions, including: > "They might try to extract a political price," Lord Kerr said, "but legally they couldn't insist that you leave."
  - struppi 9y ago
    I don't recall where I read it, but I recall reading an article some time ago saying there were different opinions by experts about whether the process could be stopped. Because Article 50 simply does not mention stopping the process. But I could be wrong ;)
- sleepychu 9y ago
  I actually think there would be plenty of support for Britain staying. I think there's still concern about what happens if the UK makes a success of Brexit, coming back and making some concessions (on our current priviledged status) is a better story for those that fear the domino of exits.
- k-mcgrady 9y ago
  >> this should be impossible according to Article 50 I thought it could be stopped at anytime with agreement of all member states. According to Lord Kerr (who devised Article 50): "It is not irrevocable. You can change your mind while the process is going on. During that period, if a country were to decide actually we don't want to leave after all, everybody would be very cross about it being a waste of time. They might try to extract a political price but legally they couldn't insist that you leave."
  - mcherm 9y ago
    > I thought it could be stopped at anytime with agreement of all member states. ANYTHING can be done with agreement of all member states. Including completely rewriting the Treaty of Rome, Maastricht Treaty, and Treaty of Lisbon along with every other agreement that makes up the EU.
charlesdm 9y ago
First they need to negotiate a deal. I don't see Theresa May sticking around long enough to make that happen. Clock is ticking.. another 18 months.
freeflight 9y ago
I still think there is a very real possibility that Brexit will never go through. As funny and hilarious as this whole "Here hold my beer" moment had been, it won't last forever and hopefully, in the end, cooler heads will prevail.
markvdb 9y ago
Draw out the process a bit, and fairly good chance the oldest generation voting "out" have died and replaced by younger "in" voters...

struppi 9y ago

IIRC, the EU already hinted that they would allow stopping the Brexit-Process, even though this should be impossible according to Article 50. And they also said they would fast-track an application of the UK, if they applied for membership after leaving. But I guess, from the EU's perspective, you would need approval of all member states for both, which is incredibly hard to get these days. And the current UK government probably does not see any of these 2 as an option...

pricechild 9y ago
Do you have any sources that reversing article 50 "should be impossible"? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39291512 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39291512 seems to give a good spread of opinions, including: > "They might try to extract a political price," Lord Kerr said, "but legally they couldn't insist that you leave."
- struppi 9y ago
  I don't recall where I read it, but I recall reading an article some time ago saying there were different opinions by experts about whether the process could be stopped. Because Article 50 simply does not mention stopping the process. But I could be wrong ;)
sleepychu 9y ago
I actually think there would be plenty of support for Britain staying. I think there's still concern about what happens if the UK makes a success of Brexit, coming back and making some concessions (on our current priviledged status) is a better story for those that fear the domino of exits.
k-mcgrady 9y ago
>> this should be impossible according to Article 50 I thought it could be stopped at anytime with agreement of all member states. According to Lord Kerr (who devised Article 50): "It is not irrevocable. You can change your mind while the process is going on. During that period, if a country were to decide actually we don't want to leave after all, everybody would be very cross about it being a waste of time. They might try to extract a political price but legally they couldn't insist that you leave."
- mcherm 9y ago
  > I thought it could be stopped at anytime with agreement of all member states. ANYTHING can be done with agreement of all member states. Including completely rewriting the Treaty of Rome, Maastricht Treaty, and Treaty of Lisbon along with every other agreement that makes up the EU.

charlesdm 9y ago

First they need to negotiate a deal. I don't see Theresa May sticking around long enough to make that happen. Clock is ticking.. another 18 months.

freeflight 9y ago

I still think there is a very real possibility that Brexit will never go through. As funny and hilarious as this whole "Here hold my beer" moment had been, it won't last forever and hopefully, in the end, cooler heads will prevail.

markvdb 9y ago

Draw out the process a bit, and fairly good chance the oldest generation voting "out" have died and replaced by younger "in" voters...