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Is the "you don't need a grid" meme true when you take into account support for IE10, Kitkat, IOS9 and Safari 10? Is the polyfill as painless as advertised?

claviska 9y ago
Sure. If you need a grid system feel free to tack one on. There's a link in the docs to the Bootstrap grid system without any extras that works well and is familiar.
- collider 9y ago
  I know it's not fully supported across browsers yet but it would be cool, if the new css grid spec were supported.
- SippinLean 9y ago
  The point of a library or framework is that I don't need to tack one on. I could spend time writing my own grid system that uses CSS Grid and only supports the latest browsers (without a polyfill) or just use Bootstrap 3 or 4's grid, which has been tested already, supports lots of browsers and requires no effort. I know this bills itself as a "reset" but when you look at the buttons, text utilities, spacing utilities etc it's far beyond that. In many cases it's just re-using Bootstrap's naming conventions and code. As far as I can tell there's nothing like Bootstrap's theme customization tool for it, so I'd have to do it all by hand.
  - claviska 9y ago
    "If you need a grid system," Not "you need to add your own." In the near future, grid systems will be more and more obsolete (https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/01/you-do-not-need-a-css-grid-based-grid-system/ https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/01/you-do-not-ne...), and Shoelace is prepared for that. Why add the weight if you don't need it?
    - SippinLean 9y ago
      That link recommends for a grid system, it just advocates capital 'G' Grid instead of other solutions. There's an entire section where they encourage a framework for working with Grid. I have never worked on a site that doesn't need any concept of a grid.
      - claviska 9y ago
        It's referring to the CSS grid layout, not a grid system such as 960 or Bootstrap's grid system. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Grid_Layout https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Grid_La...
        SippinLean 9y ago
        Correct that is what I said: >it just advocates capital 'G' Grid instead of other solutions I also said: >There's an entire section where they encourage a framework for working with Grid as a rebuttal to your claim otherwise.

claviska 9y ago

Sure. If you need a grid system feel free to tack one on. There's a link in the docs to the Bootstrap grid system without any extras that works well and is familiar.

collider 9y ago
I know it's not fully supported across browsers yet but it would be cool, if the new css grid spec were supported.
SippinLean 9y ago
The point of a library or framework is that I don't need to tack one on. I could spend time writing my own grid system that uses CSS Grid and only supports the latest browsers (without a polyfill) or just use Bootstrap 3 or 4's grid, which has been tested already, supports lots of browsers and requires no effort. I know this bills itself as a "reset" but when you look at the buttons, text utilities, spacing utilities etc it's far beyond that. In many cases it's just re-using Bootstrap's naming conventions and code. As far as I can tell there's nothing like Bootstrap's theme customization tool for it, so I'd have to do it all by hand.
- claviska 9y ago
  "If you need a grid system," Not "you need to add your own." In the near future, grid systems will be more and more obsolete (https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/01/you-do-not-need-a-css-grid-based-grid-system/ https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/01/you-do-not-ne...), and Shoelace is prepared for that. Why add the weight if you don't need it?
  - SippinLean 9y ago
    That link recommends for a grid system, it just advocates capital 'G' Grid instead of other solutions. There's an entire section where they encourage a framework for working with Grid. I have never worked on a site that doesn't need any concept of a grid.
    - claviska 9y ago
      It's referring to the CSS grid layout, not a grid system such as 960 or Bootstrap's grid system. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Grid_Layout https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Grid_La...
      - SippinLean 9y ago
        Correct that is what I said: >it just advocates capital 'G' Grid instead of other solutions I also said: >There's an entire section where they encourage a framework for working with Grid as a rebuttal to your claim otherwise.