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Police have a monopoly on legal violence and Society act like their words are more trustworthy in a courtroom. It is not acceptable that it is not counterbalanc

Police have a monopoly on legal violence and Society act like their words are more trustworthy in a courtroom. It is not acceptable that it is not counterbalance by a high level standard and scrutiny. Police work is difficult and I admire people that have commitment to protect and serve but we can't give a blank check or a get out of jail free card for criminal or unethical conduct. I think we see in a lot of communities that the police and other public worker are no more trusted and I think we will see the raise of alternative actors to fulfill the gap. Such actor could be criminal groups like mafia and terrorist group that then can use this to build up their base. So I think it is immoral to allow this and I think it's stupid in Machiavellian or realpolitik way.

pavel_lishin 9y ago
> I think we will see the raise of alternative actors to fulfill the gap. Such actor could be criminal groups like mafia Isn't this one of the reasons for the huge proliferation of gangs? Certain communities know that the police won't help them, so they establish their own organization.
- ErikVandeWater 9y ago
  I've heard of this happening in Mexico, but not in the USA. Do you have a link about communities establishing gangs as a substitute for police/roided up version of neighborhood watch in the USA?
  - QuotedForTruth 9y ago
    There is an interesting documentary called "Check it" about a gang formed in Washington DC to protect its gay members from violence. They aren't exactly neighborhood watch though in that they only really look after their own members and are involved in plenty of other illegal activity. Although it is obviously not the only motivation of gang members and gangs, protection from violence is part of why people seek these groups out.
  - wahern 9y ago
    http://itsalwayssunny.wikia.com/wiki/Bums:_Making_a_Mess_All_Over_the_City http://itsalwayssunny.wikia.com/wiki/Bums:_Making_a_Mess_All... More seriously, the episode draws inspiration from the Guardian Angels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels
- tnecniv 9y ago
  That's how it was at least once upon a time. To appeal to media, the opening scene of The Godfather is a good example of that.
cryoshon 9y ago
yep. vigilantism flourishes when institutional security systems are broken or abusive. i totally agree with both your claims.

pavel_lishin 9y ago

> I think we will see the raise of alternative actors to fulfill the gap. Such actor could be criminal groups like mafia Isn't this one of the reasons for the huge proliferation of gangs? Certain communities know that the police won't help them, so they establish their own organization.

ErikVandeWater 9y ago
I've heard of this happening in Mexico, but not in the USA. Do you have a link about communities establishing gangs as a substitute for police/roided up version of neighborhood watch in the USA?
- QuotedForTruth 9y ago
  There is an interesting documentary called "Check it" about a gang formed in Washington DC to protect its gay members from violence. They aren't exactly neighborhood watch though in that they only really look after their own members and are involved in plenty of other illegal activity. Although it is obviously not the only motivation of gang members and gangs, protection from violence is part of why people seek these groups out.
- wahern 9y ago
  http://itsalwayssunny.wikia.com/wiki/Bums:_Making_a_Mess_All_Over_the_City http://itsalwayssunny.wikia.com/wiki/Bums:_Making_a_Mess_All... More seriously, the episode draws inspiration from the Guardian Angels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels
tnecniv 9y ago
That's how it was at least once upon a time. To appeal to media, the opening scene of The Godfather is a good example of that.

cryoshon 9y ago

yep. vigilantism flourishes when institutional security systems are broken or abusive. i totally agree with both your claims.